to goal or not to goal ....

[Guest guest]

Hi Miles,

Perhaps it's only semantics, as I think we both speak of the same realization.

Is it a goal or is it not a goal? I don't know. Is it a paradox? Maybe. I guess

for me if I know I'm already there, that this life path is for returning to

whence I came, then the goal has already been met. I'm already there. No need to

have even this as a goal. I must let the realization come easily. Trying seems

to impair my getting there, and having a goal seems like trying to me. But

again, this is probably only about definitions. Perhaps this is why Ramana said

the highest teaching is in silence. Beyond the need to define. But what fun

would that be on a discussion list? : )

I'm enjoying your input. Good subject.

 

Namaste,

Gordon

 

Realisation is possible here... now... in this life. Of that, there is

absolutely no doubt!!!

Take up the Means!! Reach the Goal!!

 

Regards

Miles

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Gordon,

 

> Perhaps it's only semantics, as I think we both speak of the same realization.

> Is it a goal or is it not a goal? I don't know. Is it a paradox? Maybe.

 

"The 'I' casts off the illusion of 'I' and yet remains as 'I'. Such is the

paradox of Self-Realisation. The realised do not see any contradiction in

it." (Ramana Maharshi, Talks; 28)

 

> I guess for me if I know I'm already there, that this life path is for

> returning to whence I came, then the goal has already been met. I'm already

> there. No need to have even this as a goal.

 

Indeed, there is nothing new to attain, only to be that which you always are

and have always been. In essence the goal is simply to remove the veil-like

covering of ignorance which obscures the Self. The ignorance being that of

the ego-self which, assuming a stance separate from everything else, then

looks at and acts on this falsely perceived as separate universe.

 

>Perhaps this is why Ramana said the highest teaching is in silence. Beyond

>the need to define. But what fun would that be on a discussion list? : )

 

The jnani uses his own language, whether with or without words, it makes no

difference.

 

> I'm enjoying your input. Good subject.

 

Thank you.

Miles