Subject of materialism

[Guest guest]

Actually Vicki I was not only primarily referring to

the matter of sexuality (though it is one of the most

poignant one in case of young people) but also other

pleasures such as partying,watching some action

movie,socialising.I was not able to reconcile the

introspective method of contemplating on 'Who Am I as

taught by Sri.Ramana with these actions which seemed

quite natural nay even necessary in youth as surely

you will agree is the general attitude.But now after

the group feedback and a bit of contemplation of my

own I realize that all of the above is only transitory

but till such time as the resistance of the pleasure

principle becomes natural one need not be overtly

unnerved by it and avoid it.Some amount of restraint

would help as Ramana himself has advocated that

abstinence is one of the aids to yoga.I feel our

efforts to reduce the attractions of the above should

definitely be pursued as much as possible though by

nature being humans we will definitely fall a prey to

the above at various times.We should not feel guilty

and give the guilt feeling any importance but remember

that the bottom line is the self.At this point I would

like to add that if somebody is lucky enough to have

had transcended the above mundance things(for a

westerner it could possibly be surprisingly sometimes

easier as he could very easily and rightly so come to

the conclusion that the above is very much transitory

given the lifestyle that he is exposed to at a very

early age and being confronted with the issue

especially in the event of heartbreak,betrayal, at a

very early age ,etc) then surely he has come closer

to the goal.

I also like to add that simply reading all your mail

has been spiritally elevating for me whatever maybe

the content.I also felt that bringing to the fore

certain extreme issues would help all as very often we

are more alike others than we think though we often

believe that we are unique creations indispensable to

mankind.

 

regards to all,

Anand.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Again, I want to thank Anand for bringing up questions about how to deal

with real world issues in the context of Ramana Maharshi's teachings. I

find it helpful because I am fine when I can sit down calmly and read a

book like "Talks with Ramana Maharshi". Then I have trouble stopping the

thoughts and doing self-inquiry when I need to deal with people. And I need

to deal with other people in many complex ways.

 

But such discussions could quickly run too far afield for many other group

members. I hope that the group can continue to try and match up Sri

Ramana's teachings with newly raised (though certainly not new) obstacles

to practice. But I would certainly agree to narrowing the scope of the

discussions rather than lose this wonderful egroup.

 

I am sorry if I was too off-subject by bringing in ideas from someone who

is a Buddhist. I don't believe that the points I brought into the

discussion were at odds with anything Sri Ramana might have said, but I

understand that others may feel it inappropriate. I may be naive about this

and I'm sorry about that.

 

Tom

[Guest guest]

Dear Tom,

 

Provided we can keep our focus on Bhagavan's teachings there is no need to

apologise for talking about Buddhist ideas or indeed any others'.

 

>Then I have trouble stopping the

> thoughts and doing self-inquiry when I need to deal with people. And I need

> to deal with other people in many complex ways.

 

The practice of atmavicara should be continuous. No need to stop in the

midst of daily life. If one forgets, simply take it up again when one

remembers. Eventually the enquiry becomes a constant.

 

Regards in Sri Bhagavan,

Miles

[Guest guest]

Hi Anand,

I happened to see your postings. The one

thing wich makes the difference is the intensity one

has for Bhagavan's teachings or in other words

intensity of love towards Bhagavan.

 

So the priority place an important role in

your actions. As a youngster , one might feel that

the pleasures (what ever you think off) seems to be

the highest priority. So it is natural that one falls

prey to it. But consider a situation where one is in

deep love with some one, apart from his (her) loved

ones, all the other things becomes unimportant. Such

is the power of love. If one is in love with Bhagavan

Ramana Maharishi, all the other things what ever work

he performs gets done as it should be and the focus

remains in 'I'.

 

In service of Bhagavan,

Srini

 

 

 

 

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Actually Vicki I was not only primarily referring

to<BR>

the matter of sexuality (though it is one of the

most<BR>

poignant one in case of young people) but also

other<BR>

pleasures such as partying,watching some action<BR>

movie,socialising.I was not able to reconcile the<BR>

introspective method of contemplating on 'Who Am

I  as<BR>

taught by Sri.Ramana  with these actions which

seemed<BR>

quite natural nay even necessary in youth as

surely<BR>

you will agree is the general attitude.But now

after<BR>

the group feedback and a bit of contemplation of

my<BR>

own I realize that all of the above is only

transitory<BR>

but till such time as the resistance of the

pleasure<BR>

principle becomes natural one need not be overtly<BR>

unnerved by it and avoid it.Some amount of

restraint<BR>

would help as Ramana himself has advocated that<BR>

abstinence is one of the aids to yoga.I feel our<BR>

efforts to reduce  the attractions of the above

should<BR>

definitely be pursued as much as possible though

by<BR>

nature being humans we will definitely fall a prey

to<BR>

the above at various times.We should not feel

guilty<BR>

and give the guilt feeling any importance but

remember<BR>

that the bottom line is the self.At this point I

would<BR>

like to add that if somebody is lucky enough to

have<BR>

had transcended the above mundance things(for a<BR>

westerner it could possibly be surprisingly sometimes

<BR>

easier as he could very easily and rightly so come

to<BR>

the conclusion that the above is very much

transitory<BR>

given the lifestyle that he is exposed to at a

very<BR>

early age and being confronted with the issue<BR>

especially in the event of heartbreak,betrayal, at

a<BR>

very early age  ,etc) then surely he has come

closer<BR>

to the goal.<BR>

I also like to add that simply reading all your

mail<BR>

has been spiritally elevating for me whatever

maybe<BR>

the content.I also felt that bringing to the fore<BR>

certain extreme issues would help all as very often

we<BR>

are more alike others than we think though we

often<BR>

believe that we are unique creations indispensable

to<BR>

mankind.<BR>

<BR>

regards to all,<BR>

Anand.<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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