Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 *************************** It is ridiculous to say either 'I have not realized the Self' or 'I have realized the Self''; are there two selves, for one to be the object of the other's realization? It is a truth within the experience of everyone that there is only one Self. *************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta wrote: *************************** It is ridiculous to say either 'I have not realized the Self' or 'I have realized the Self''; are there two selves, for one to be the object of the other's realization? It is a truth within the experience of everyone that there is only one Self. *************************** The `I' which is presented as an ego doesnt confine itself to the spiritual path alone. In the material life, the word `I' is used to identify the person who is communicating the message when he/she has to tell something concerning him/her. Here the word `I' is more a practial usage than an identification with the ego. Even though when realisation occurs, the seeker is detached, if the message has to be communicated to another person, then the seeker uses `I' as a word to communicate across the idea that realisation has occured. Hence the "I have/havent realised the Self" is more an idea to communicate that realisation has/hasnt occured with the seeker who is trying to tell so. I recall that Jiddu Krishnamurti also stressed about the identification with the `I' as a stumbling block in the spiritual journey. It could be to avoid the usage of `I' in his speech which could confuse his listeners that whenever he made a reference to himself, Jiddu preferred the word `the speaker' instead of `I'. Love and regards, -Prakash. Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Dear Prakash, Thank you for your response. In Talk: 164, the following conversation is recorded. This sheds light on the quotation from Forty Verses which prompted your reply. ********************* Maharshi: If the way is external, directions are possible, but it lies within. Seek within. The Self is always realised. Something not already realised may be sought afresh. But the Self is within your experience. D.: Yes. I realise myself. Maharshi: Myself. Are there two -- my and self? D.: I do not mean it. Maharshi: Who is it that has or has not realised? D.: There is only one Self. Maharshi: The question can arise only if there be two. Abandon the wrong identification of the Self with the non-self. *********************** Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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