Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya **************************************** ULLADU NARPADU of Bhagavan Sri Ramana *********************** 6. Since we see the world, (it follows that) there does exist a source of it, a sole Reality transending (world and mind), of whose power all this is a becoming; this is beyond dispute. This cinima-show of names and forms, their sustaining screen, the light (of consciouseness), and the spectator-all these four are only that Supreme Being, who is the Real Self within the Heart. *************************** Salutations to the bright and shining ***Bhagavan Sri Arunachalaramana*** Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya namaste! In the books that I have with me, (all from Sri Ramanasramam) the verse you have have referred to is numbered as the first of the forty verses (after the two invocatory verses). You have numbered it as the sixth. Could you please cite the source from where it is quoted. namo ramaNA suri Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya **************************************** ULLADU NARPADU of Bhagavan Sri Ramana *********************** 6. Since we see the world, (it follows that) there does exist a source of it, a sole Reality transending (world and mind), of whose power all this is a becoming; this is beyond dispute. This cinima-show of names and forms, their sustaining screen, the light (of consciouseness), and the spectator-all these four are only that Supreme Being, who is the Real Self within the Heart. *************************** Salutations to the bright and shining ***Bhagavan Sri Arunachalaramana*** Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Start your own . It's free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya **************************************** Namaskar. Yes, it is the first verse of the 40 that make up the Ulladu Narpadu but the book that I took this from starts with a few benedicrtory verses that are numbered verses 1-5. This copy is titled "REVELATION" translated by K. Lakshmana Sarma "Who" and it is published by Sri Ramanasrama. Which copy do you have? Ever your in Sri Ramana, Adam --- suri suryanarayan <suri_suryanarayan wrote: > > om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya > namaste! > In the books that I have with me, (all from Sri > Ramanasramam) the verse you have have referred to is > numbered as the first of the forty verses (after the > two invocatory verses). You have numbered it as the > sixth. Could you please cite the source from where > it is quoted. > namo ramaNA > suri > Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: Om > Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya > **************************************** > > ULLADU NARPADU > of > Bhagavan Sri Ramana > *********************** > > 6. Since we see the world, (it follows that) > there does exist a source of it, a sole Reality > transending (world and mind), of whose power all > > this is a becoming; this is beyond dispute. This > cinima-show of names and forms, their sustaining > > screen, the light (of consciouseness), and the > spectator-all these four are only that Supreme > Being, who is the Real Self within the Heart. > > *************************** > > Salutations to the bright and shining > ***Bhagavan Sri Arunachalaramana*** > > > > > > > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct > polls, organize chat events. Start your own > Group. It's free! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya namaste Sri Adam, I have also looked into the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" now. I think the 'number' question is figured out now. The books which I have looked into are as follows: A. uLLadu nArpadu :(in Tamil) with commentary in Tamil by 'WHO'. This book, contains only the verses composed by Bhagavan Sri Ramana. The first two invocatory verses are numbered 1 & 2. Then chapter 1 begins with the verse referred to, which is numbered as 1. the last verse is numbered 40. B. The book "ramaAa nUtriraTTu" which is collection of all the compositions of SrI Ramana in Tamil has the 40 verses on Reality in chapter 5, with the two invocatory verses not numbered. The numbering starts with the verse we are referring to as number 1. C. The book by Sri Arthur Osborne "The collected works of Ramana Maharshi" has an English translation of these verses in chapter 6 titled "Reality in 40 verses". The numbering is same as in that in the first book cited above. D. The book "sat-darSana bhAshya and talks with mahaRshi" by Kapali SAstri contains a commentary in English of the Sanskrit translation of 'uLLadu nArpadu' composed by the great sanskrit scholar and Ramana devotee Sri Ganapati Sastri. In this book the section called 'bhashya' starts with invocatory verses and the verse we are referrring to is numbered as the 3rd. After the 42nd verse, there are two more verses 43 & 44, in praise of Sri Ramana by Sri Ganapati Sastri. This book also contains the original verses in Tamil as an Annexure. There the numbering is same as that in the first book cited above. E. The tamil book "satdarSanaM" has a Tamil translation of the commentary of Sri Kapali Sastri in the book cited as D above. The numbering in this book is same as that in the book cited above as A. F. The Tamil book "ramaNASrama tamizhppArAyaNa tiraTTu" contains the verses chanted every evening at the ASram. This book contains two verses called pAyiram and then the two invocatory verses. The main verses then begin with the verse we are referring to numbered as 1. G. In the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" being referred by you the 40 verses on Reality are preceded by 3 verses in praise of Sri Ramana called "granthavaraNam" and then the two invocatory verses. The numbering is however, continuous starting from the first verse of "granthavaraNam". That's why the first of 40 verses on Reality became the 6th. The Sanskrit translation and commentary are authored by WHO (Sri LakshmaNa Sarma) I have been familiar with the numbering commonly used in the Tamil books. So this doubt arose. May I request you to use the numbering as follows: I1 & I2 for the two invocatory verses. and then number 1 to 40 for the main verses (which are referred to as "nul" in Tamil). There is a very beautiful composition by (WHO) Sri LashmaNa Sarma called "ramaNam bhajAmi" in sanskrit which has been made immortal by the divine voice of Srimati M S Subbulakshmi. It is available in the prerecorded tape of the concert to mark the Sri Ramana Centenary Celebrations, broadcast by All India radio (in 1980 January, I think). Salutations to Bhagavan Sri Ramana for making my mind dwell on an attribute (the number) of the 40 verses on Reality. Salutations to Sri Adam for this opportunity. namo ramaNA namaste SrI Adam Yours ever suri Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya **************************************** Namaskar. Yes, it is the first verse of the 40 that make up the Ulladu Narpadu but the book that I took this from starts with a few benedicrtory verses that are numbered verses 1-5. This copy is titled "REVELATION" translated by K. Lakshmana Sarma "Who" and it is published by Sri Ramanasrama. Which copy do you have? Ever your in Sri Ramana, Adam --- suri suryanarayan <suri_suryanarayan wrote: > > om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya > namaste! > In the books that I have with me, (all from Sri > Ramanasramam) the verse you have have referred to is > numbered as the first of the forty verses (after the > two invocatory verses). You have numbered it as the > sixth. Could you please cite the source from where > it is quoted. > namo ramaNA > suri > Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: Om > Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya > **************************************** > > ULLADU NARPADU > of > Bhagavan Sri Ramana > *********************** > > 6. Since we see the world, (it follows that) > there does exist a source of it, a sole Reality > transending (world and mind), of whose power all > > this is a becoming; this is beyond dispute. This > cinima-show of names and forms, their sustaining > > screen, the light (of consciouseness), and the > spectator-all these four are only that Supreme > Being, who is the Real Self within the Heart. > > *************************** > > Salutations to the bright and shining > ***Bhagavan Sri Arunachalaramana*** > > > > > > > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct > polls, organize chat events. Start your own > Group. It's free! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Start your own . It's free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya (My previous mail was cluttered and had some errors. This is a corrected version.) namaste Sri Adam, I have also looked into the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" now. I think the 'number' question is figured out now. The books which I have looked into are as follows: A. uLLadu nArpadu :(in Tamil) with commentary in Tamil by 'WHO'. This book, contains only the verses composed by Bhagavan Sri Ramana. The first two invocatory verses are numbered 1 & 2. Then, chapter 1 begins with the verse referred to, which is numbered as 1. the last verse is numbered 40. B. The book "ramaAa nUtriraTTu" which is collection of all the compositions of SrI Ramana in Tamil has the "40 verses on Reality" in chapter 5, with the two invocatory verses not numbered. The numbering starts with the verse we are referring to as number 1. C. The book by Sri Arthur Osborne "The collected works of Ramana Maharshi" has an English translation of these verses in chapter 6 titled "Reality in 40 verses". The numbering is same as in that in the first book cited above. D. The book "sat-darSana bhAshya and talks with mahaRshi" by Kapali SAstri contains a commentary in English of the Sanskrit translation of 'uLLadu nArpadu' composed by the great sanskrit scholar and Ramana devotee Sri Ganapati Sastri. In this book the section called 'bhashya' starts with invocatory verses and the verse we are referrring to is numbered as the 3rd. After the 42nd verse, there are two more verses 43 & 44, in praise of Sri Ramana by Sri Ganapati Sastri. This book also contains the original verses in Tamil as an Annexure. There the numbering is same as that in the first book cited above. E. The tamil book "satdarSanaM" has a Tamil translation of the commentary of Sri Kapali Sastri in the book cited as D above. The numbering in this book is same as that in the book cited above as A. F. The Tamil book "ramaNASrama tamizhppArAyaNa tiraTTu" contains the verses chanted every evening at Sri Ramanasramam. This book contains two verses called pAyiram and then the two invocatory verses. The main verses (nUl) then begin with the verse we are referring to numbered as 1. G. In the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" being referred by you the 40 verses on Reality are preceded by 3 verses in praise of Sri Ramana called "granthavaraNam" and then the two invocatory verses. The numbering is however, continuous starting from the first verse of "granthavaraNam". That's why the first of 40 verses on Reality became the 6th. The Sanskrit translation and commentary are authored by WHO (Sri LakshmaNa Sarma). I have been familiar with the numbering commonly used in the Tamil books. So this doubt arose. May I request you to use the numbering as follows: I1 & I2 for the two invocatory verses. and then number 1 to 40 for the main verses (which are referred to as "nul" in Tamil). There is a very beautiful composition by (WHO) Sri LashmaNa Sarma called "ramaNam bhajAmi" in sanskrit which has been made immortal by the divine voice of Srimati M S Subbulakshmi. It is available as a prerecorded tape of the concert to mark the Sri Ramana Centenary Celebrations, broadcast by All India radio (in 1980 January, I think). Salutations to Bhagavan Sri Ramana for making my mind dwell on an attribute (the number) of the 40 verses on Reality. Salutations to Sri Adam for this opportunity. namo ramaNA namaste SrI Adam Yours ever suri Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya **************************************** Namaskar. Yes, it is the first verse of the 40 that make up the Ulladu Narpadu but the book that I took this from starts with a few benedicrtory verses that are numbered verses 1-5. This copy is titled "REVELATION" translated by K. Lakshmana Sarma "Who" and it is published by Sri Ramanasrama. Which copy do you have? Ever your in Sri Ramana, Adam Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Start your own . It's free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 Dear Sri Suri, How wonderful it must be to read Bhagavan's words in Tamil! Could you use your knowledge of Tamil to answer a question that I've wondered about? It has to do with the very verse we're discussing. There is a phrase that K. Lakshmana Sharma translates as "cinema-show of names and forms." A. R. Natarajan makes it "the screen on which it is projected." S.S. Cohen makes it, "the canvas." Professor Mahadevan says, "the basic canvas." Could you please tell us what this phrase is, literally, in Tamil? Also, if you happen to have an opinion -- I don't want you to go to any trouble -- but if you happen to have an opinion as to which English translation is the most accurate, I would like to know. Yours in Bhagavan, Rob - "suri suryanarayan" <suri_suryanarayan <RamanaMaharshi> Cc: <suri Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:43 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: ULLADU NARPADU verse: 6 > > om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya > > > (My previous mail was cluttered and had some errors. This is a corrected version.) > > namaste Sri Adam, > > > I have also looked into the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" now. I think the 'number' question is figured out now. The books which I have looked into are as follows: > > > A. uLLadu nArpadu :(in Tamil) with commentary in Tamil by 'WHO'. > This book, contains only the verses composed by Bhagavan Sri Ramana. The first two invocatory verses are numbered 1 & 2. Then, chapter 1 begins with the verse referred to, which is numbered as 1. the last verse is numbered 40. > > > B. The book "ramaAa nUtriraTTu" which is collection of all the compositions of SrI Ramana in Tamil has the "40 verses on Reality" in chapter 5, with the two invocatory verses not numbered. The numbering starts with the verse we are referring to as number 1. > > C. The book by Sri Arthur Osborne "The collected works of Ramana Maharshi" has an English translation of these verses in chapter 6 titled "Reality in 40 verses". The numbering is same as in that in the first book cited above. > > > D. The book "sat-darSana bhAshya and talks with mahaRshi" by Kapali SAstri contains a commentary in English of the Sanskrit translation of 'uLLadu nArpadu' composed by the great sanskrit scholar and Ramana devotee Sri Ganapati Sastri. In this book the section called 'bhashya' starts with invocatory verses and the verse we are referrring to is numbered as the 3rd. After the 42nd verse, there are two more verses 43 & 44, in praise of Sri Ramana by Sri Ganapati Sastri. This book also contains the original verses in Tamil as an Annexure. There the numbering is same as that in the first book cited above. > > > E. The tamil book "satdarSanaM" has a Tamil translation of the commentary of Sri Kapali Sastri in the book cited as D above. The numbering in this book is same as that in the book cited above as A. > > > F. The Tamil book "ramaNASrama tamizhppArAyaNa tiraTTu" contains the verses chanted every evening at Sri Ramanasramam. This book contains two verses called pAyiram and then the two invocatory verses. The main verses (nUl) then begin with the verse we are referring to numbered as 1. > > > G. In the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" being referred by you the 40 verses on Reality are preceded by 3 verses in praise of Sri Ramana called "granthavaraNam" and then the two invocatory verses. The numbering is however, continuous starting from the first verse of "granthavaraNam". That's why the first of 40 verses on Reality became the 6th. The Sanskrit translation and commentary are authored by WHO (Sri LakshmaNa Sarma). > > > I have been familiar with the numbering commonly used in the Tamil books. So this doubt arose. > > > May I request you to use the numbering as follows: I1 & I2 for the two invocatory verses. and then number 1 to 40 for the main verses (which are referred to as "nul" in Tamil). > > > There is a very beautiful composition by (WHO) Sri LashmaNa Sarma called "ramaNam bhajAmi" in sanskrit which has been made immortal by the divine voice of Srimati M S Subbulakshmi. It is available as a prerecorded tape of the concert to mark the Sri Ramana Centenary Celebrations, broadcast by All India radio (in 1980 January, I think). > > > Salutations to Bhagavan Sri Ramana for making my mind dwell on an attribute (the number) of the 40 verses on Reality. Salutations to Sri Adam for this opportunity. > > > namo ramaNA > > > namaste SrI Adam > > > Yours ever > > > suri > > > Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya > **************************************** > > > Namaskar. > Yes, it is the first verse of the 40 that make > up the Ulladu Narpadu but the book that I took this > from starts with a few benedicrtory verses that are > numbered verses 1-5. > > This copy is titled "REVELATION" translated by > K. Lakshmana Sarma "Who" and it is published by Sri > Ramanasrama. > > Which copy do you have? > > > Ever your in Sri Ramana, > > > Adam > > > > > > > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Start your own . It's free! > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya Namaste SrI Rob, Indeed it is a delightful to the read verses composed by Bhagavan in Tamil. I have reproduced below the the meaning of the verse as given by the Sri Arthur Osborne in the book "The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi". I quote - Since we perceive the world we must agree unanimously that there is a power which is capable of becoming multiple. The picture of name and form, he who sees it, the cloth on which it is based (painted) and the light which illuminates it are all oneself.- Unquote. It is difficult for me to say which is more accurate. Each translator has tried to add some meaning and depth which is not explicit in a literal word by word translation. Sri Osborne's translation captures the meaning of the verse without any interpretation. My reference usually begins with Sri Osborne 's book for any verse of Bhagavan, probably because it was one of the earliest books I acquired. Now a little about the reference in the verse, to the canvas, screen or cloth which forms the base for the creation of any picture. In this verse bhagavan has used the word "SerpaDam" which represnts the cloth (canvas or screen) on which the picture is created. In the beginning of the 20th century when all these verses were written, the movie film was well established experience for many in India. Bhagavan had used, while explaining to devotees, the movie film as a metaphor for indicating the distinction between the various aspects of manifestation as a creation of the mind, and the Self as the underlying Truth of all that IS. In this example the pictute projected on the screen is what we see as the world of which we are a part, the film represents the mental images that we project, and the light from the lamp is the illumination of consciousness that makes it possible to perceive what we project. In this metaphor the film screen is the essential Truth (Real - unchanging) whereas the pictures projected on it are changing, impermanent and hence unreal. In this verse, Bhagavan uses this metaphor to say that the names and forms that are seen, the seer, the screen on which they are seen (projected, based or painted) and the illumination of the lamp are all HE. Hope the above is of some use. namo ramaNA namaste suri === Rob Sacks <editor wrote: Dear Sri Suri, How wonderful it must be to read Bhagavan's words in Tamil! Could you use your knowledge of Tamil to answer a question that I've wondered about? It has to do with the very verse we're discussing. There is a phrase that K. Lakshmana Sharma translates as "cinema-show of names and forms." A. R. Natarajan makes it "the screen on which it is projected." S.S. Cohen makes it, "the canvas." Professor Mahadevan says, "the basic canvas." Could you please tell us what this phrase is, literally, in Tamil? Also, if you happen to have an opinion -- I don't want you to go to any trouble -- but if you happen to have an opinion as to which English translation is the most accurate, I would like to know. Yours in Bhagavan, Rob - "suri suryanarayan" <suri_suryanarayan <RamanaMaharshi> Cc: <suri Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:43 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: ULLADU NARPADU verse: 6 > > om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya > > > (My previous mail was cluttered and had some errors. This is a corrected version.) > > namaste Sri Adam, > > > I have also looked into the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" now. I think the 'number' question is figured out now. The books which I have looked into are as follows: > > > A. uLLadu nArpadu :(in Tamil) with commentary in Tamil by 'WHO'. > This book, contains only the verses composed by Bhagavan Sri Ramana. The first two invocatory verses are numbered 1 & 2. Then, chapter 1 begins with the verse referred to, which is numbered as 1. the last verse is numbered 40. > > > B. The book "ramaAa nUtriraTTu" which is collection of all the compositions of SrI Ramana in Tamil has the "40 verses on Reality" in chapter 5, with the two invocatory verses not numbered. The numbering starts with the verse we are referring to as number 1. > > C. The book by Sri Arthur Osborne "The collected works of Ramana Maharshi" has an English translation of these verses in chapter 6 titled "Reality in 40 verses". The numbering is same as in that in the first book cited above. > > > D. The book "sat-darSana bhAshya and talks with mahaRshi" by Kapali SAstri contains a commentary in English of the Sanskrit translation of 'uLLadu nArpadu' composed by the great sanskrit scholar and Ramana devotee Sri Ganapati Sastri. In this book the section called 'bhashya' starts with invocatory verses and the verse we are referrring to is numbered as the 3rd. After the 42nd verse, there are two more verses 43 & 44, in praise of Sri Ramana by Sri Ganapati Sastri. This book also contains the original verses in Tamil as an Annexure. There the numbering is same as that in the first book cited above. > > > E. The tamil book "satdarSanaM" has a Tamil translation of the commentary of Sri Kapali Sastri in the book cited as D above. The numbering in this book is same as that in the book cited above as A. > > > F. The Tamil book "ramaNASrama tamizhppArAyaNa tiraTTu" contains the verses chanted every evening at Sri Ramanasramam. This book contains two verses called pAyiram and then the two invocatory verses. The main verses (nUl) then begin with the verse we are referring to numbered as 1. > > > G. In the book titled (ramaNa hRdayaM) "Revelation" being referred by you the 40 verses on Reality are preceded by 3 verses in praise of Sri Ramana called "granthavaraNam" and then the two invocatory verses. The numbering is however, continuous starting from the first verse of "granthavaraNam". That's why the first of 40 verses on Reality became the 6th. The Sanskrit translation and commentary are authored by WHO (Sri LakshmaNa Sarma). > > > I have been familiar with the numbering commonly used in the Tamil books. So this doubt arose. > > > May I request you to use the numbering as follows: I1 & I2 for the two invocatory verses. and then number 1 to 40 for the main verses (which are referred to as "nul" in Tamil). > > > There is a very beautiful composition by (WHO) Sri LashmaNa Sarma called "ramaNam bhajAmi" in sanskrit which has been made immortal by the divine voice of Srimati M S Subbulakshmi. It is available as a prerecorded tape of the concert to mark the Sri Ramana Centenary Celebrations, broadcast by All India radio (in 1980 January, I think). > > > Salutations to Bhagavan Sri Ramana for making my mind dwell on an attribute (the number) of the 40 verses on Reality. Salutations to Sri Adam for this opportunity. > > > namo ramaNA > > > namaste SrI Adam > > > Yours ever > > > suri > > > Achala <ramanachala108 wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya > **************************************** > > > Namaskar. > Yes, it is the first verse of the 40 that make > up the Ulladu Narpadu but the book that I took this > from starts with a few benedicrtory verses that are > numbered verses 1-5. > > This copy is titled "REVELATION" translated by > K. Lakshmana Sarma "Who" and it is published by Sri > Ramanasrama. > > Which copy do you have? > > > Ever your in Sri Ramana, > > > Adam > > > > > > > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Start your own . It's free! > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Start your own . It's free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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