Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Is the peace that one experiences when encountering a realized being, only in ones imagination? UG who later got transformation did not get that feeling of peace when he met Ramana. I once saw the amazing Romark and 10 to 20 percent of the audience got out of their seats and went on stage, when he tried to hypnotize and evidentally successfully hypnotized those who came on stage. I have stated that I could put a homeless drunk on stage and if I presented him/her as a realized being, many would get that feeling of peace too. --- Viorica Weissman <viorica wrote: > > I found this text on an web site ; > I read the book some time ago; it is a wonderful > book; > I hope you will enjoy the reading; (it's a little > long) > ========================================================== > ***AS I SAW HIM - 1*** > by Sadhu Arunachala > > * "AS I SAW HIM-1" has been extracted from > A Sadhu's Reminicences of Ramana Maharshi. > ============================================================ > > TO TRY TO DESCRIBE my reactions when I first came > into the > presence of Bhagavan is difficult. I felt the > tremendous peace > of his presence, his graciousness. It was not as > though I was > meeting him for the first time. It seemed that I > had always known > him. It was not even like the renewal of an old > acquaintanceship. > It had always been there though I had not been > conscious of it > at the time. Now I knew. > > It was only afterwards, when I had dwelt in India > for some time, > that I began to realise how gracious Bhagavan had > been to me from > the very first. And this attitude of mine was to > my advantage. > Bhagavan responded to people's reactions. > If you behaved absolutely naturally, with no > strain, > Bhagavan's behaviour was similar. > > When I entered the Hall for the first time, > Bhagavan was seated on > his couch, facing the door. It was about seven > o'clock and he had > just returned from his stroll on the Hill. > Bhagavan adored the Hill > and was never happier than when wandering about > its slopes. > He greeted me with his lovely smile and asked if I > had had my > breakfast, and then told me to sit down. > > Bhagavan talked to me the whole morning till it > was time for > the midday meal. He asked me many questions about > myself and > my life. All this seemed quite natural. Later I > was to discover > that he usually greeted visitors with a glance, > made a few remarks > and then remained silent, or waited for them to > put their doubts > and question him so that he might answer. > Or often he appeared unconscious that anybody had > entered, > though this was only in appearance, for he was > always fully > conscious. > > I found when I had been in the Ashrama a short > time and was > beginning to know my way about, that the best time > to catch > Bhagavan alone was at one o'clock in the afternoon > when he came > back from the Hill. Everyone who could would have > slipped away > for a siesta, except for one attendant whose duty > it was to remain > with Bhagavan in case he needed anything. This was > before the days > of electricity so a punkah had been hung just over > Bhagavan's couch > and this would be kept in lazy motion by a sleepy > attendant who was > himself dying to run off and have a sleep. At > times I would take > his duty and let him go, at others I would sit up > near the head > of Bhagavan's couch and talk to him. > It was during these quiet hours that he instructed > me and those > quiet hours spent with him then were the most > valuable of all. > > Bhagavan was a very beautiful person; he shone > with a visible light > or aura. He had the most delicate hands I have > ever seen with which > alone he could express himself, one might almost > say, talk. > His features were regular and the wonder of his > eyes was famous. > His forehead was high and the dome of his head the > highest I have > ever seen. As this in India is known as the dome > of wisdom it is > only natural that it should be so. > His body was well-formed and of only medium > height, but this was > not apparent as his personality was so dominant > that one looked > upon him as tall. He had a great sense of humour > and when talking > a smile was never far from his face. > > > He had many jokes in his repertoire and was a > magnificent actor; > he would always dramatise the protagonist of any > story he related. > When the recital was very pathetic, Bhagavan would > be filled with > emotion and unable to proceed. When people came to > him with their > family stories he would laugh with the happy and > at times shed > tears with the bereaved. In this way, he seemed to > reciprocate > the emotions of others. Bhagavan never raised his > voice and, > if he did occasionally seem angry, there was no > sign of it on > the surface of his peace. Talk to him immediately > afterwards > and he would answer calmly and quite undisturbed. > He would never > touch money, not because he hated it-he knew that > for the purpose > of daily life it was necessary-but he had never > any need of it and > was not interested in it. > > People said that Bhagavan would not talk but this > was untrue, > as were many other foolish legends about him. He > did not speak > unnecessarily and his apparent silence only showed > how much foolish > chatter usually goes on amongst ourselves. > He preferred every sort of simplicity and liked to > sit > on the floor, but a couch had been forced upon him > and this became > his home for most of the twenty-four hours of the > day. > He would never, if he could help it, allow any > preference to be > shown to him and in the dining room he was adamant > on this point. > > Even if some special medicine or tonic were given > to him he wanted > to share it with everybody. "If it is good for me, > then it must be good for the rest," he would argue > and make them > distribute it round the dining hall. He would > wander out to the > Hill several times a day, and if any attachment to > anything on > earth could be said of him, it was surely an > attachment to the > Hill. He loved it and said it was God Himself. > > Approached in the right way, Bhagavan would > advise, though the > majority of people who moved with him would deny > it. > They had never tried in the right way or, more > probably, never > intended to take permission at all. They thus > bluffed themselves > into thinking that he had given them leave and in > this way did what > they themselves had intended to do. > > > Bhagavan was invariably kind to all animals though > he did not like > cats or, I believe, mongooses; this was > principally because the > cats hunted his beloved squirrels or chipmunks. > These squirrels > used to run in and out of the Hall window over his > couch and even > his body. He would feed them with nuts and stroke > them; > some of them even had names. Their chief ambition > seemed to be to > make nests behind his pillows so that they might > bring up > their families under his protection. > === message truncated === Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dear Alton, I think that something more than suggestion is involved. Here is a letter from a reader of my website that offers evidence for this: "I did meet Swami Muktananda many years ago and have experienced the results of the encounter in meditation ever since.... "With [Muktananda], this quickening, enlivening energy was so pronounced that, to my great surprise, I once felt it through the wall of a hotel before he stepped through the door to reveal to me just where the oceanic surge of bliss was coming from. "I wasn't expecting him to appear. It was 10:30 in the morning, no program going on. I just happened to be outside the hotel-ashram when he took his morning walk. My doubting Thomas mind had been suspecting Muktananda of hypnotism, mesmerism, etc., but the fact that I felt his Shakti -- to the point of almost swooning -- coming through a solid wall, kinda impacted on my doubts." (The whole letter is at http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0060.htm.) Best regards, Rob - "Alton Alton" <lostnfoundation <RamanaMaharshi> Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:09 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences of Ramana Maharshi > Is the peace that one experiences when encountering a > realized being, only in ones imagination? UG who later > got transformation did not get that feeling of peace > when he met Ramana. I once saw the amazing Romark and > 10 to 20 percent of the audience got out of their > seats and went on stage, when he tried to hypnotize > and evidentally successfully hypnotized those who came > on stage. > > I have stated that I could put a homeless drunk on > stage and if I presented him/her as a realized being, > many would get that feeling of peace too. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dear Rob and Alton, To what extent do you think this effect may be a 2 way street? For example, some people simply will not feel any reaction in the presence of those who have a lot of shakti. Do you think one's own shakti is what feels the reaction? Gloria - Rob Sacks RamanaMaharshi Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:16 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences of Ramana Maharshi Dear Alton, I think that something more than suggestion is involved. Here is a letter from a reader of my website that offers evidence for this: "I did meet Swami Muktananda many years ago and have experienced the results of the encounter in meditation ever since.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dear Gloria, You probably have a lot more experience with this than me, but yeah, it sure seems like some people are more sensitive than others. I wonder if the sensitivity can grow, if non-responders can learn to feel it? Maybe it depends on mood -- more likely to be felt if an experience has just softened the heart? More likely if the mind is quiet? Maybe it's more than just one kind of sensitivity? I spent a week at Master Charles's Synchronicity Foundation (many people find him to be a very powerful emitter) and didn't feel that much until the last day. However, when I went to India in 1985, before I knew anything about any of these things, I felt something as soon as the door of the airplane opened. When I visited Meenakshi Temple in Madura (purely as a tourist) I felt like I was drugged. (Probably has something to do with why I ended up here. Rob - "Gloria Lee" <glee <RamanaMaharshi> Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:59 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences of Ramana Maharshi > Dear Rob and Alton, > > To what extent do you think this effect may be a 2 way street? For example, some people simply will not feel any reaction in the presence of those who have a lot of shakti. > Do you think one's own shakti is what feels the reaction? > Gloria > > - > Rob Sacks > RamanaMaharshi > Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:16 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences of Ramana Maharshi > > > Dear Alton, > > I think that something more than suggestion is > involved. Here is a letter from a reader of my > website that offers evidence for this: > > "I did meet Swami Muktananda many years ago > and have experienced the results of the encounter > in meditation ever since.... > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dearest Gloria: One's attitude toward whatever is occuring in life is the predominating factor determining how one will react to someone who is realized or not. So that is why I say it is all imagination. I have experienced excitment with meeting gurus but never peace. Everything is within oneself, the whole universe included. I have had some experience of that so I am just not postulating. Aloha from paradise, Atlon aka Alton To what extent do you think this effect may be a 2 > way street? For example, some people simply will not > feel any reaction in the presence of those who have > a lot of shakti. > Do you think one's own shakti is what feels the > reaction? > Gloria > > - > Rob Sacks > RamanaMaharshi > Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:16 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences > of Ramana Maharshi > > > Dear Alton, > > I think that something more than suggestion is > involved. Here is a letter from a reader of my > website that offers evidence for this: > > "I did meet Swami Muktananda many years ago > and have experienced the results of the encounter > in meditation ever since.... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dear Rob: I wonder if you knew at the time you experienced Shakti from Muktananda about his gross criminal behaviour, would you have allowed that for yourself? Also, why does it happen for some and not others. Was he just a magician with powers? Certainly he was not a godman. Aloha, Atlon aka Alton --- Rob Sacks <editor wrote: > Dear Alton, > > I think that something more than suggestion is > involved. Here is a letter from a reader of my > website that offers evidence for this: > > "I did meet Swami Muktananda many years ago > and have experienced the results of the encounter > in meditation ever since.... > > "With [Muktananda], this quickening, enlivening > energy was so pronounced that, to my great surprise, > > I once felt it through the wall of a hotel before he > > stepped through the door to reveal to me just where > the oceanic surge of bliss was coming from. > > "I wasn't expecting him to appear. It was 10:30 in > the > morning, no program going on. I just happened to be > outside the hotel-ashram when he took his morning > walk. My doubting Thomas mind had been suspecting > Muktananda of hypnotism, mesmerism, etc., but the > fact that I felt his Shakti -- to the point of > almost > swooning -- coming through a solid wall, kinda > impacted on my doubts." > > (The whole letter is at > http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0060.htm.) > > Best regards, > > Rob > > - > "Alton Alton" <lostnfoundation > <RamanaMaharshi> > Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:09 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences > of Ramana Maharshi > > > > Is the peace that one experiences when > encountering a > > realized being, only in ones imagination? UG who > later > > got transformation did not get that feeling of > peace > > when he met Ramana. I once saw the amazing Romark > and > > 10 to 20 percent of the audience got out of their > > seats and went on stage, when he tried to > hypnotize > > and evidentally successfully hypnotized those who > came > > on stage. > > > > I have stated that I could put a homeless drunk on > > stage and if I presented him/her as a realized > being, > > many would get that feeling of peace too. > > > > > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Correction should have said your reader. I read it too fast. Sorry. --- Rob Sacks <editor wrote: > Dear Alton, > > I think that something more than suggestion is > involved. Here is a letter from a reader of my > website that offers evidence for this: > > "I did meet Swami Muktananda many years ago > and have experienced the results of the encounter > in meditation ever since.... > > "With [Muktananda], this quickening, enlivening > energy was so pronounced that, to my great surprise, > > I once felt it through the wall of a hotel before he > > stepped through the door to reveal to me just where > the oceanic surge of bliss was coming from. > > "I wasn't expecting him to appear. It was 10:30 in > the > morning, no program going on. I just happened to be > outside the hotel-ashram when he took his morning > walk. My doubting Thomas mind had been suspecting > Muktananda of hypnotism, mesmerism, etc., but the > fact that I felt his Shakti -- to the point of > almost > swooning -- coming through a solid wall, kinda > impacted on my doubts." > > (The whole letter is at > http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0060.htm.) > > Best regards, > > Rob > > - > "Alton Alton" <lostnfoundation > <RamanaMaharshi> > Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:09 AM > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences > of Ramana Maharshi > > > > Is the peace that one experiences when > encountering a > > realized being, only in ones imagination? UG who > later > > got transformation did not get that feeling of > peace > > when he met Ramana. I once saw the amazing Romark > and > > 10 to 20 percent of the audience got out of their > > seats and went on stage, when he tried to > hypnotize > > and evidentally successfully hypnotized those who > came > > on stage. > > > > I have stated that I could put a homeless drunk on > > stage and if I presented him/her as a realized > being, > > many would get that feeling of peace too. > > > > > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Dear Alton,. > would you have allowed that for yourself? I don't know if it's within a person's power to allow it or not allow it. I agree with you that Swami Muktananda did bad things, and if I had met him, and known about his behavior at the time, it would have troubled me and made me feel hostile towards him. But maybe I would have seen blue light anyway. I don't know. > Certainly he was not a godman. I disagree on this point. Everybody is a godman except of course for the god ladies. Best regards, Rob - "Alton Alton" <lostnfoundation <RamanaMaharshi> Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:04 PM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] A Sadhu's Reminicences of Ramana Maharshi > > Dear Rob: > I wonder if you knew at the time you experienced > Shakti from Muktananda about his gross criminal > behaviour, would you have allowed that for yourself? > Also, why does it happen for some and not others. Was > he just a magician with powers? > Certainly he was not a godman. > Aloha, > Atlon aka Alton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 > Correction should have said your reader. I read it too > fast. Sorry. lol, actually, the way you wrote it was sort of ambiguous, and I couldn't tell if you thought it was me or you were posing a hypothetical question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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