Guest guest Posted September 6, 2001 Report Share Posted September 6, 2001 The following message was written by a twelve-year-old boy who asked me for some advice about self-inquiry. - Joe0464 meditate-your-way-to-enlightenment Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:54 PM [meditate-your-way-to-enlightenment] meditation for self-inquiry Hi!!!, Well, I have just done the best meditation I have ever done before!!!! It is a meditation from the religion from hinduism, but does that matter? I do it anyway. Here it is. You think about the me, the I, the self, and you look at that thought, and see where it forms, and develops. Then, you put your attention on that spot in your mind. Then, your mind goes blank!!! And, wel, it feels as though you are watching the mind!!! And, you see, well, who is watching this mind? ME!!!!! But then, what about the mind, I am not in the mind? No, I'm not!!! The, who am I?!!! And, you look to see who you are!!! And you look and look and look and look, sorry for the wording I am so happy!!!, and eventually, not in one day though, after a long time, you find me!!!! And you chase me into the heart!!! And put your attention on it until me desolves and your ego goes with it!!! And, you are enlightened!!! TRY IT PLEASE!!!! It works!!!! Blessed be Leaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2001 Report Share Posted September 6, 2001 What a wonderful description of self-inquiry practice! Thank you so much for sharing it. I think this would be great for your site. I am sorry that I can't write with the clarity or enthusiasm shown in this letter. > The following message was written by a twelve-year-old boy who asked me for some advice about self-inquiry. - Joe0464 meditate-your-way-to-enlightenment Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:54 PM [meditate-your-way-to-enlightenment] meditation for self-inquiry Hi!!!, Well, I have just done the best meditation I have ever done before!!!! It is a meditation from the religion from hinduism, but does that matter? I do it anyway. Here it is. You think about the me, the I, the self, and you look at that thought, and see where it forms, and develops. Then, you put your attention on that spot in your mind. Then, your mind goes blank!!! And, wel, it feels as though you are watching the mind!!! And, you see, well, who is watching this mind? ME!!!!! But then, what about the mind, I am not in the mind? No, I'm not!!! The, who am I?!!! And, you look to see who you are!!! And you look and look and look and look, sorry for the wording I am so happy!!!, and eventually, not in one day though, after a long time, you find me!!!! And you chase me into the heart!!! And put your attention on it until me desolves and your ego goes with it!!! And, you are enlightened!!! TRY IT PLEASE!!!! It works!!!! < Regards, Richard ---------------------- Richard Clarke San Jose, CA 408 266-6109 ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Hi Richard, This kid and I have been corresponding for about six weeks now. It has been one of the most astonishing experiences of my life. When I first heard from him he was asking questions like, "What is meditation?" A couple of weeks later, he announced to me that "God isn't a person, God is everything." It turned out that this announcement was based on experiences he had begun to have -- he was in a bliss/nonduality state for several days. A few days ago he independently rediscovered that Atman is Brahman. Here's how he described it to me: "I had a weird thought today. Let's see, how to say it, how to explain it. I had the thought that all is mind, that all is thought. This sounds weird. But, well, not mind, more than consciousness, ,yes, consciousness, that is the right word. Mind isn't the same. But, all is consciousness, and some of the consciousness is inside humans, but most of it is air, and other objects. God is consciousness, so, god is what we are made of, as well as in side of us, as well as around us, we are always in contact with God. But, through consciousness flows thought. Some thought flows through the consciousness in humans, but most flows through the open consciousness, or in objects. So, can't air think?, hehe, that is a funny THOUGHT!!!!!, hehe. No seriously, i'm not sure of my idea of this, oh, yes, out consciousness, in our heads, it has attention, so it focuses the thoughts so that we notice the thoughts, but normal consciousness without attention does not notice thought. " > I think this would be great for your site. Yeah, thanks, I'll publish that letter somewhere on the site. I'd also like eventually to publish all his emails (he has sent me hundreds) as a record of a child's waking-up experiences. Regards, Rob - "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke "Miles Wright" <RamanaMaharshi> Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:37 PM re: [RamanaMaharshi] meditation for self-inquiry > What a wonderful description of self-inquiry practice! Thank you so much for > sharing it. I think this would be great for your site. I am sorry that I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Hi Vicki, You don't need to worry! I asked his permission about everything. He likes me to reprint his messages. Both the messages I quoted here were from public groups. He and I have become friends and I would never do anything to make him unhappy. I have great respect for him. You know the tradition that a person's guru shows up when the time is right? I think maybe he is my guru. Rob - "viorica weissman" <viorica <RamanaMaharshi> Friday, September 07, 2001 9:33 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] meditation for self-inquiry > Hi Rob , > > > Yeah, thanks, I'll publish that letter somewhere on the site. > > I'd also like eventually to publish all his emails (he has > > sent me hundreds) as a record of a child's waking-up > > experiences. > > what does this child think about all his emails being made public ? > just feeling a bit of worry for him, > > vicki > > > > Regards, > > > > Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Hi Vicki, I don't know if his mother knows. I'll ask him. Don't apologize for raising these questions. If this could hurt him, I want to know. What harm to you see from this? He is very active on the Internet. He moderates several mail groups and posts in many mail groups. So far, I haven't added much to his publicity. Rob - "viorica weissman" <viorica <RamanaMaharshi> Friday, September 07, 2001 9:55 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] meditation for self-inquiry > Hi Rob , > > He must have parents too I suppose , after all he is only twelve . > > My son is 12.5 and as a mother I would say "NO" to this kind of > publicity on the net ; if he were my son , we three would had had > a great problem right now ; > > Rob , excuse me for my annoying questions , does his mother know > about his dialogues with you ? > > I am sorry for causing you any unpleasant feeling , > I hope you can understand me that I am worried for the child ; > publicity in such cases could be harmful , > vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Dear Vicky, A mother's love is the most wonderful thing in the whole world! I will take your concerns to heart. Love, Rob - "viorica weissman" <viorica <RamanaMaharshi> Friday, September 07, 2001 10:32 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] meditation for self-inquiry > hi Rob , > > I am so worried for the child that I can't write to you > any more for the moment. > > Anyway I think his parents should know about this ; > > and I think the child should be protected and not exposed publicly > to feed people's curiosity; publicity feeds people's greed in > search of unusual events and could harm the child , > he needs special attention and care,understanding ,protection, > not being exposed to the wolves. > > Handle with great care ,Rob ! > > I know I've been over reacting , I am sorry , > vicki. > > > > Hi Vicki, > > > > I don't know if his mother knows. I'll ask him. > > > > Don't apologize for raising these questions. If > > this could hurt him, I want to know. > > > > What harm to you see from this? > > > > He is very active on the Internet. He moderates > > several mail groups and posts in many mail > > groups. So far, I haven't added much to his > > publicity. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Your concerns are justified Vicki, especially in the Internet age. Often parents do not have time to oversee the Internet activities of their children, sometimes to the detriment of the child who does not know any better. Love Harsha viorica weissman [viorica] Friday, September 07, 2001 10:32 AM RamanaMaharshi Re: [RamanaMaharshi] meditation for self-inquiry hi Rob , I am so worried for the child that I can't write to you any more for the moment. Anyway I think his parents should know about this ; and I think the child should be protected and not exposed publicly to feed people's curiosity; publicity feeds people's greed in search of unusual events and could harm the child , he needs special attention and care,understanding ,protection, not being exposed to the wolves. Handle with great care ,Rob ! I know I've been over reacting , I am sorry , vicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Hi Vicky, Oh, I see. I've been worried about you, actually. Every time I read the newspaper I wonder if you're okay. I hope you and your family are okay. This little boy is safe. I'm sure of it. I've gotten to know him over the last six weeks. The message I quoted sounded childish because he was excited but actually he is a mature, sensible kid. He doesn't tell anybody his real name or address, and he only began to confide in me after he had received many messages from me over the course of a month and he had become convinced that I could be trusted. I'm not going to say anything about his personal life because that would be betraying confidences but he's told me about his family and friends and I'm convinced that he is a sane, practical, sensible, loving boy with a happy home life. There are a lot of troubled people inhabiting the Internet but he isn't one of them. Rob - "viorica weissman" <viorica <RamanaMaharshi> Friday, September 07, 2001 3:05 PM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] meditation for self-inquiry > Hi Rob , > > you know , yesterday evening I went to bed quite early. > I was just resting and suddenly a series of gun shots suddenly started. > Then there was silence , and then again , gun shots. So close , > as if under my window. For the first time in my life , here they are, > real gun shots on a street very close to mine, as real as they can be for > our world. You know what I did ? I turned on the other side for > a more comfortable position . I thought for a while , not more than one > minute , > can I do something ? no. if my neighborhood will explode ,we'll explode too > and die like everybody else. can I do something ? no . > if one bullet will enter my window and kill me , can I do something ? no. > I enjoyed the fresh air that came through the window , and let myself fall > asleep. > > when I realized what that child was doing, you know what I did ? > I went crazy. > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicky, > > > > A mother's love is the most wonderful thing > > in the whole world! > > > > I will take your concerns to heart. > > > > Love, > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 At 9/8/2001-11:53 AM RamanaMaharshi wrote: >Re: meditation for self-inquiry > >Hi Vicki, > >You don't need to worry! I asked his permission >about everything. He likes me to reprint his >messages. Both the messages I quoted here were >from public groups. > >He and I have become friends and I would >never do anything to make him unhappy. > >I have great respect for him. You know the tradition >that a person's guru shows up when the time is right? >I think maybe he is my guru. > >Rob Hi Rob, You are being very modest. It was your patient answers that helped bring about the transformation. I, for one, wasn't sure if the kid was genuine or someone pulling our legs. You are the kids guru not the other way round! I think you forgot to mention that he is also blind. I wish there was a way to teach all blind people such spirituality. Wouldn't such awakening make their lives much easier to live? ______________________ With Love, Cyber Dervish ```````````````````````````````````````` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 <P><FONT face="Courier New"><STRONG> om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya</STRONG></FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Bhagavan Sri Ramana tells us (in upadeSa sAram verse no. 5)</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">jagata ISadhI yukta sevanam |</FONT><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">ashTa mUrtibhR.d devapUjanam ||</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Serving the world with an attitude of worship of the Lord is the worship of the Lord in his eight fold form.</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">The corresponding verse in upadeSa undiyAr (Tamil)</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">eNNuru yAvum iraiyuru vAmena </FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">eNNI vazhipadal undIpara</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">ISana pUSanai undIpara.</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">The worship of all 'eight-fold' forms {in the world} as the form of the Lord</FONT><FONT face="Courier New">, is The Worship of the Lord.</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">The word 'eNNuru' can be read both as 'eight-fold form' as well as 'thought-conceived form'.</FONT> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Refer the words </FONT><FONT face="Courier New"><STRONG>"God isn't a person, God is everything." </STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">brought to us by Rob.</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Let us not worry about the 'person'. Let us worship the manifestation of the Lord in the 'person'. All is well in His scheme of things.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Dear Sri Jan, Dear Sri Vicki, Dear Sri all,</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Let us leave it to Sri Rob, as he considers appropriate, to reveal to us the authentic experiences of Truth as they come, from the young body.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">namo gnAneswarA, namo nivR.ttinata,</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">namo ramaNA,</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">Yours in Sri Bhagavan,</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Courier New">suri<BR><BR></P></FONT> <P> <P> <P> <B><I>Jan Sultan <swork></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><TT>At 9/8/2001-11:53 AM RamanaMaharshi wrote:<BR>>Re: meditation for self-inquiry<BR>><BR>>Hi Vicki,<BR>><BR>>You don't need to worry! I asked his permission<BR>>about everything. He likes me to reprint his<BR>>messages. Both the messages I quoted here were<BR>>from public groups.<BR>><BR>>He and I have become friends and I would<BR>>never do anything to make him unhappy.<BR>><BR>>I have great respect for him. You know the tradition<BR>>that a person's guru shows up when the time is right?<BR>>I think maybe he is my guru.<BR>><BR>>Rob<BR><BR>Hi Rob,<BR><BR>You are being very modest. It was your patient answers that helped bring <BR>about the transformation.<BR>I, for one, wasn't sure if the kid was genuine or someone pulling our legs.<BR>You are the kids guru not the other way round!<BR>I think you forgot to mention that he is also blind. I wish there was a way <BR>to teach all blind people such spirituality. Wouldn't such awakening make <BR>their lives much easier to live?<BR>______________________<BR>With Love,<BR>Cyber Dervish<BR>````````````````````````````````````````<BR><BR></TT><BR><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <TABLE border=0 cellPadding=2 cellSpacing=0> <TBODY> <TR bgColor=#ffffcc> <TD align=middle><FONT color=#003399 size=-1><B> Groups Sponsor</B></FONT></TD></TR> <TR bgColor=#ffffff> <TD align=middle width=470> <TABLE border=0 cellPadding=0 cellSpacing=0 width=300> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width=300> <TABLE border=0 cellPadding=0 cellSpacing=0 width=300> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD colSpan=2 width=184><IMG alt="" border=0 height=70 src=" " width=154></TD> <TD rowSpan=2 width=116><IMG alt="" border=0 height=221 src=" " width=146></TD></TR> <FORM action=http://rd./M=210544.1579876.3135161.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170506\ 0955:HM/A=776687/R=0/* Terms of Service</A>.</TT> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> __________ Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in/''>http://in/'>http://in/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2001 Report Share Posted September 10, 2001 om namo bhagavate SrI ramaNAya Dear SrI Rob, --- Rob Sacks wrote: ----------- > But I can't write now because (I > have an excellent excuse!) I have to get ready to > go to the Advent celebration at Arunachala > Asrama, the commemoration of Bhagavan's > arrival at Tiruvannamalai. You could not have had a nobler excuse! May you particpation in Advent celebrations fill you with joy. Please do share your experience of the celebrations when you find the time. namo ramaNA suri __________ Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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