Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 Hi: Viorica and the group: Anything I post here or even what you know about me, you are welcome to use if it is done with a loving heart, including my screw ups in battles on other groups. Actually, I had typed in lots more from "I Am That", but when someone posted a story about when they visited Nisargadatta in person, I lost faith in him. Then after a time I remembered that he said it is not the Guru, but the Guru's words. His words are still tops with me, so now I have to retype the stuff I deleted. This Digest is so fine that I am taking the liberty of posting some of it on other groups. If anyone objects email me at leenalton. I wont do it until the next digest arrives in case someone objects. Also, if anyone wants some great shots of digital pics, that a visiting friend took, just ask. They are of views from the Island of Oahu here in Hawaii. Aloha, Alton > > There are 4 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Pain and Pleasure snip > Tom DiCorcia <Tom_DiCorcia > 2. Maharshi - karma - 6 > "viorica weissman" <viorica > 3. another good self-realization site > Prashant.Kulkarni2 > 4. Re: Pain and Pleasure snip > "Viorica Weissman" <viorica > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:59:17 -0500 > Tom DiCorcia <Tom_DiCorcia > Re: Pain and Pleasure snip > > At 05:59 PM 11/16/2001 "Alton Slater" <leenalton > Related a "Pain and Pleasure snip" from Nisagadatta's "I Am That": > > >The bliss is in the awareness of > >it, in not shrinking, or in any way turning away from it. All > >happiness comes from awareness. The more we are conscious, the > >deeper the joy. Acceptance of pain, non-resistance, courage ad > >endurance--these open deep and perennial sources of real happiness, > >true bliss. > > This reminded me of a quote I saw from Saint Francis, in response to a > question about "What is perfect joy": > > "When we reach Santa Maria degli Angeli, soaked as we are by the rain, > frozen by the cold, covered with mud and desperately hungry, suppose that > when we knock at the door the porter comes out angrily and asks who we are, > that we answer 'two of the brothers'. Suppose then that he answers: 'You > are lying. You're no better than than vagrants who go about telling lies > and robbing the alms of the poor; get out!' Let's suppose that he closes > the door in our faces, forcing us to stay outside in the snow and rain, > cold and hungry until the night. Then if we bear with patience the wrong > done with such cruelty and insults -- bear it with equanimity and without > murmuring, humbly and charitably believing that the porter truly thinks we > are what he says we are, God having inspired him to speak against us -- O > Brother Leo, write down that in this is perfect joy." > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:59:32 +0200 > "viorica weissman" <viorica > Maharshi - karma - 6 > > > Q: In some places it is stated that human effort is the source > of all strength and that it can even transcend Karma. > In others it is said that it is all divine grace. It is not clear > which of them is correct. > A : Yes, some schools of philosophy say that there is no God > other than karma of the previous birth, that this karma done > in the present birth in accordance with the scriptures is known > as purushkara (human effort), that the previous and present > karmas meet for a head-on fight like rams and that the one > that is weaker gets eliminated. That is why these people say > that one should strengthen purushkara. If you ask such people > what the origin of karma is, they say that such a question > is not to be raised as it is like the eternal question, > 'Which is earlier, the seed or the tree?' > > Debates such as this are mere arguments, which can never > arrive at the final truth. That is why I say first find out who you are. > If one asks, 'Who am I? How did I get this dosha (fault) of life?', > the 'I' will subside and one will realise the Self. If one does this > properly the idea of dosha will be eliminated and peace will be > obtained. Why even obtained? The Self remains as it is. > > The essence of karma is to know the truth of oneself by enquiring > 'Who am I, the doer, who begins to do Karmas?' Unless the doer > of Karmas, the ego, is annihilated through enquiry, the perfect peace > of supreme bliss, which is the result of Karma Yoga, cannot be achieved. > > Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:42:17 -0000 > Prashant.Kulkarni2 > another good self-realization site > > These is one of the very good web site > www.openmindopenheart.org - this is Scott morrison site, a self > realized person ( not alive now) contain hundreds of > Qustions/Answers and Insights/posts regarding enlighnement , > awareness , mind patterns, love , nature of I & mind , problems > encountered in realization etc > > Love > Prashant > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:03:35 -0000 > "Viorica Weissman" <viorica > Re: Pain and Pleasure snip > > > Hi Alton , > > may i foreward your 'pain & pleasure snip' > from Nisargadatta ? > > vicki > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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