San

[Guest guest]

Dear San,

you are preaching a lot of theory but what have you experienced? I also ask you

that now because it seems to me you feel really great in preaching - but what is

behind? Only hot air?

 

San:

"You" may be occupied with self-enquiry till you are blue in your face and

nothing will happen."

 

Are you so sure? Have you tried? - I agree, only being occupied is not enough.

Grace is also needed: both in same messure: grace and efforts. (Without grace

there will even be no efforts). This is very clear in Ramana's teaching.

 

 

San: "Self-enquiry is never done.

It happens."

 

As a result of grace it happens - and as effort it is "done". The end of

Self-enquiry - Self-realization- is undiscribable. Whatever it is there will

surely be no words for it.

 

 

San: "Till that time, Ramana and other's renderings of the benigness of Ramana's

milieu (which is an account of yet another entity, etc) will remain a good bed

time reading"

 

Would like more a good thriller as bed time reading. (LOL) -

Ramana's life and teaching is my guidance, besides his powerful silence, which

is best of all.

 

 

 

San: "That love for Ramana, which gets offended by a perceived abuse of Ramana,

is

no love.

In total love, there is no more a lover left, which cognizes anything or

anybody else apart from the Beloved.

Whether anybody is raining praises or raining abuses on the Beloved, neither

of them are of any relevance to the Lover, whose eyes, whose ears, whose heart

is only for the Beloved.

There is, as if no other world, except the Beloved.

And this Love, finally transcends itself, as only the Beloved remains, no

more any lover to even love the Beloved.

Even the presence of the lover is seen as a contamination of the Love.

Do you understand Vicki?"

 

What I more understand is that such a one who has realized the oneness of lover,

beloved and love would not judge and degrade in such a way the love of others.

Nevertheless there is some truth in your theory, but it shows itself to be a

mere theory when you say: "That love for Ramana, which gets offended by a

perceived abuse of Ramana, is no love." May be this is not yet the fullness of

love - but it is love.

 

San: "Is anything in phenomenality, anything else but a concept?

This phenomenal context, in which a Ramana appears, and in which the devotion

to Ramana appears, is itself a conceptual construct.

What else but conceptualization can happen within a conceptual construct?

Anything, anybody (including Ramana) has said, or conveyed about Truth or

Reality, to somebody, anywhere, at any time, ever is a concept."

 

San and his teaching is also. So where is the point?

 

O there could be endless discussions about all that now - no end in sight. I

will surely not join in further - but I want to say it very clearly for this one

time: in all your theory I miss real authenticy.

 

Gabriele