Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 << NamoRamana26 Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Namaste, There seems to be some confusion over this, some conflict also, some feelings of disapproval and other feelings like that. Now I'm certain no moderator of the list or something to fix this...however...what's the feeling of the disapproval and the conflict coming from, the sense of individuality you all have and not being part of the self. Teh feeling of Ramana has been fully lost through the conflict, the love from him...and now my ego is acting up and I don't want to send this email out! Afraid of the responce, ,but I will anyway and see what happens. It doesn't seem like that big of a conflict but the conflict is still there and the disapproval is still there...and all for the reason I stated above. How it could be fixed is up to the moderator, but on a spiritual level most of you feel separate, individuals. ...who is the one who feels separate, as Sri Bhagavan would say, ,so figure that out. I'm not going any farther I'm scared enough as it is! Don't mind my little...writing at the bottom I got a new mail signature hehe. Namaste Namo Ramana Prem >> KKT: Conflict is illusion :-)) The sense of individuality is unreal :-)) Peace, KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 >I think that our answers should be handled with great care and addressed in particular to the person who raised the question and avoid directing it to the whole group as not to give the impression of a teacher in front of a school class .> I hope you see the difference between simple sharing and teaching. No one is teaching here. There is no teacher-class-situation. >People on this list are adults , spiritual sadhaks , some might be very advanced , some may not need our explanations , most might need the sharing only and just being here together . The advanced who don't need our explanations may have a smile or join in with a better explanation or simply ignore but I don't think it does any harm to them. I don't care so much for the advanced what they need or not. They can care for themselves very well. There is a rule on another list about posting: the posting should do no harm to anyone and serve at least one. Besides , Ramana has his own ways to answer , and he does so . Yes, and sometimes he even may choose our poor explanations. >To be more quiet because of me ??! No , no , no , no! Of course I will continue. I have nothing said about stopping and vanishing. In HIM Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Yes, you are right, dear Prem, so let us stop at once. It was not very wise of me to make this a theme. It was only because of some uncertainty the individuality "Gabriele" felt because of some remarks, but whatever happens, if done with dedication to Ramana, it will be all right. So let me say my apologize to you and all here. It is not a question who is right and who is wrong - more a question of different needs. I can understand that many members only want to have the "pure" Ramana-teaching ("when only Ramana is heard")- it is the best of all - and strange enough to say - in reality I mostly belong to this group also. But sometimes I also like a good sharing. Namaste and Namo Ramana Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, NamoRamana26@a... wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya > > Namaste, > > There seems to be some confusion over this, some conflict also, some feelings > of disapproval and other feelings like that. Now I'm certain no moderator of > the list or something to fix this...however...what's the feeling of the > disapproval and the conflict coming from, the sense of individuality you all > have and not being part of the self. Teh feeling of Ramana has been fully > lost through the conflict, the love from him...and now my ego is acting up > and I don't want to send this email out! Afraid of the responce, ,but I will > anyway and see what happens. It doesn't seem like that big of a conflict but > the conflict is still there and the disapproval is still there...and all for > the reason I stated above. How it could be fixed is up to the moderator, but > on a spiritual level most of you feel separate, individuals. ...who is the > one who feels separate, as Sri Bhagavan would say, ,so figure that out. I'm > not going any farther I'm scared enough as it is! Don't mind my > little...writing at the bottom I got a new mail signature hehe. > > Namaste > > Namo Ramana > > Prem > > Hail to the great Maharshi, > Who is Guru, God, and self. > Oh Sri Ramana Maharshi, take away my desires, > cut my attachments to this physical world. > Let me ascend to the oneness, > let me dive into the heart and see and feel Brahman shine forth, > shining forth as the self, emanating brightly. > Not an individual self, not the ego, > But the universal self in which is Brahman, the great Brahman. > Oh Ramana allow me to ascend, > following your path to enlightenment, > guide me Ramana, guide me please, > and the rest of Earth shall follow, with your guidance also. > We shall ascend to the oneness, in bliss, light, and pure love. > Namo Ramana. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Dear Vicki, I want to apologize. May be I have understood you wrong. But somehow your mail "I loved this list when only Ramana was heard" made me feel not very comfortable and I wanted to know what you mean and what has changed and why you thought that it is otherwise now. And so this discussion happened unfortunately. I also like the most when only Ramana is heard. So let us come back to this. In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > Dear Gabriele , > > > I hope you see the difference between simple sharing and teaching. > No one is teaching here. There is no teacher-class-situation. > > Do I misunderstand your tone ? > "I hope you see ..." > > > >People on this list are adults , spiritual sadhaks , > > some might be very advanced , some may not need our > > explanations , most might need the sharing only and just being > > here together . > > > > The advanced who don't need our explanations may have a smile or > join in with a better explanation or simply ignore but I don't think > it does any harm to them. I don't care so much for the advanced what > they need or not. They can care for themselves very well. There is a > rule on another list about posting: the posting should do no harm to > anyone and serve at least one. > > Dear Gabriele , > > Yes ,there are members of this list who are Ramana's devotees > and some do not need anything , neither teachings nor quotes, > neither scriptures nor descriptions. > > I do care if somebody needs something or needs not. > > > > > Besides , Ramana has his own ways to answer , > > and he does so . > > > > Yes, and sometimes he even may choose our poor explanations. > > Sometimes. > > > > >To be more quiet because of me ??! > > No , no , no , no! > > > > Of course I will continue. I have nothing said about stopping and > vanishing. > > > Great ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Dear Vicki, It is alright. If you feel you want to be back one day with the Ramana-quotes and -stories this would be very welcome. Know this - but feel free to do whatever your heart teaches you. We all act according to our destination. Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > Dear Gabriele , > > Please accept my apologizes . > With me there is no problem . > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > I want to apologize. May be I have understood you wrong. But > somehow > > your mail "I loved this list when only Ramana was heard" made me > feel > > not very comfortable and I wanted to know what you mean and what > has > > changed and why you thought that it is otherwise now. And so this > > discussion happened unfortunately. I also like the most when only > > Ramana is heard. So let us come back to this. > > In HIM > > Gabriele > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 This is a very beatiful story, Vicki, but not all are like this friend or yours. Some have a long way behind to find the right Guru. Some struggle very hard for enlightentment. Some read a lot of spiritual literature to clear their doubts... Some stuck somewhere on the spiritual path. Some are not so much drawn to Ramana but to another way or Guru or... maybe even here. Ways are different. Every way is very unique. Backgrounds are different. Needs are different. The leading power of Ramana works different inside and outside. But the grace of the Guru is found everywhere. It is without limitations. The list was never a regular conversational list and I see no hint that it is turning to that. So why worry? But please accept the different needs of others also! In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > Dear Gabriel , > > I still do care very much about this list and the people sharing > here , so when the posts began to be too many I was > worried that what would happen would be that this list would turn > into a regular conversational list as there are already too > many on the net. I wish and hope that this would not happen. > > I posted that story about my friend that you liked and > I was glad. You have the example of a woman ,born in a > far away country , who didn't do a professon from spirituality, > who never took part in satsang whatsoever , who had no > interest in hinduism whatsoever , who never ran to find a guru > because she wanted enlightenment or I don't know what , > who has not too much time because of work and family > responsabilities ,and ...? What do you think happened to her ? > > Love for Ramana began to spring in her heart , naturally , > very naturally . Not brought by my explanations who Ramana > was and what his teaching was about. She is discovering now , > all by herself. In the past she sent me some emails to ask > about what Ramana meant by a certain answer , I answered her > and explained with a kind of undefinite feeling that > that was wrong. "Not this , not this , it doesn't work this > way , this will bring her nothing or not too much anyway." > > I had the prove of it when once I visited her and asked > how much she read from Arthur Osborne' s book. > > I saw her eyes when she acknowledged that she didn't advance too > much because she found the book difficult. > > I saw her eyes then - oh, that sadness and frustration !- > and I promissed myself I would never explain > anything and I wished in my heart for the day when she > by herself would love the book and will not find Ramana's > teachings difficult. > > I saw her about a week ago when I asked her where she stayed > with the reading. And I saw her eys again when she took > the book to show me . It was love for that book in her eyes. > > The touching of the Absolute , Gabriele . > > With no words. > With no explanations from my part and that makes me happy. > > vicki > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > It is alright. If you feel you want to be back one day with the > > Ramana-quotes and -stories this would be very welcome. Know this - > > but feel free to do whatever your heart teaches you. We all act > > according to our destination. > > Gabriele > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gabriele , > > > > > > Please accept my apologizes . > > > With me there is no problem . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > I want to apologize. May be I have understood you wrong. But > > > somehow > > > > your mail "I loved this list when only Ramana was heard" made > me > > > feel > > > > not very comfortable and I wanted to know what you mean and > what > > > has > > > > changed and why you thought that it is otherwise now. And so > this > > > > discussion happened unfortunately. I also like the most when > only > > > > Ramana is heard. So let us come back to this. > > > > In HIM > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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