Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Namaskaram. I'm new on the list. Does anyone have further experiences on the path of atma vichara. How is it possible to see the world and its objects as illusionary, as long one has to deal with it all. Intellectually I understand the teachings of Sri Bhagavan - but having the experience is different. Being in Ashrama (my Guru is a different one, living during this time in Mysore) is always a retreat for my soul, but returning to the mundane world is like going deep into the womb of mother earth. Kumudini Claudia ________________ Gesendet von Mail - http://mail..de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains..de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Hello Kumudini, RamanaMaharshi, "ct...kum" <ct108kum> wrote: > Namaskaram. > I'm new on the list. Does anyone have further > experiences on the path of atma vichara. > How is it possible to see the world and its objects as > illusionary, as long one has to deal with it all. <SNIP> The one who is dealing with this world itself is a part of that illusion. For a character in a dream, the dream appears to be real. Only when the dreamer wakes up he/she understands the illusory nature of the dream. Until then just play on this game of life with all vigor and enthusiasm. Atmavichara is a pointer for the dreamed up character "I-Kumudini" to look for the dreamer which is "I am" unqualified. But there is a bit of absurdity in that concept. How can the dreamed up character ever know it's creator? More over that action of Vichara itself is happening within the dream. Does that mean all these practices are useless? Of course not! Bhagawan had mentioned it in many occasions that if there is a desire to know the truth and if there are efforts being made, be sure that grace is working behind that and may be a sign of possible awakening. So whatever is happening is by the grace of God and is just perfect. And do not consider others experiences as milestones to gauge your own development(conceptual) as every expression of consciousness is unique. A deep understanding of this illusion will help the dreamed up character to accept everything as they are. Loosen the grip of the illusory self. And to live life full moment to moment to moment with the correct perspective. Just sharing some concepts I gathered from others. Thank you. Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 > How is it possible to see the world and its objects as > illusionary, as long one has to deal with it all. Dealing with the world is part of the illusion. It is symptomatic of the human condition which, having forgotten its own Self, dwells in an external, material universe. As long as one does not see the Self as the origin of all, and one's very identity, so long can it (world and objects) be described as illusionary. World and objects are creations of the mind. They exist in subjective consciousness. Jnana (knowledge of the Self) eliminates this false identity. This is effected by tracing the 'I' back to its source. 'Until there is the I-thought, there will be no other thought. Until other thoughts arise, (asking) 'To whom?' (will call forth the reply) 'To me'. He who pursues this closely, questioning 'What is the origin of the I?' and diving inwards reaches the seat of the mind (within) the Heart, becomes (there) the Sovereign Lord of the Universe. O boundless Ocean of Grace and Effulgence called Arunachala, dancing motionless within the court of the Heart! there is no (longer any) dream there of such dualities as in and out, right and wrong, birth and death, pleasure and pain, or light and darkness.' Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 That is a great reply as always, Miles! It is pure Ramana teaching! I would really like to ask you about your personal experiences or how far you are advanced in self enquiry and your state of mind but I am not sure if you would like to answer me - although the question has nothing to do with curiosity - but perhaps it is nothing for being answered on a list or be answered at all. So don't care! Forget it! Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > > > > How is it possible to see the world and its objects as > > illusionary, as long one has to deal with it all. > > Dealing with the world is part of the illusion. It is symptomatic of the > human condition which, having forgotten its own Self, dwells in an external, > material universe. As long as one does not see the Self as the origin of > all, and one's very identity, so long can it (world and objects) be > described as illusionary. > > World and objects are creations of the mind. They exist in subjective > consciousness. Jnana (knowledge of the Self) eliminates this false identity. > This is effected by tracing the 'I' back to its source. > > 'Until there is the I-thought, there will be no other thought. Until other > thoughts arise, (asking) 'To whom?' (will call forth the reply) 'To me'. He > who pursues this closely, questioning 'What is the origin of the I?' and > diving inwards reaches the seat of the mind (within) the Heart, becomes > (there) the Sovereign Lord of the Universe. O boundless Ocean of Grace and > Effulgence called Arunachala, dancing motionless within the court of the > Heart! there is no (longer any) dream there of such dualities as in and out, > right and wrong, birth and death, pleasure and pain, or light and darkness.' > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > > Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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