Guest guest Posted March 29, 2002 Report Share Posted March 29, 2002 om gurave namah Dear Vicki, Thank you for this sage piece of advice. This is a great place to start atmavicara. With practice atmavicara will start immediately on wake-up. What better way to start the day ?!?! Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles --------- > One early morning Sri Bhagavan explained how we have a glimpse > of the real Self every day. Between sleep and waking there is > a momentary twilight. The waking consciousness begins with > the "I" thought . Just before the up-surge of the "I" thought , > there is a split second of undifferentiated , pure consciousness . > First unconsciousness , then the light of pure consciousness, > then the "I" thought with which the world-consciousness floods in, > this is the order. The middle state is Self-awareness . > We can sense it if we are sufficiently alert and watchful. > .............................................................................. > taken from > Sri Ramana Reminiscences > G.V. SUBBARAMAYYA > second edition , Sri Ramanasramam , 1973 > .............................................................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2002 Report Share Posted March 29, 2002 I also posted this on MillionPaths to see it anyone else has some ideas about it. Unfortunately for me the dream state comes right after the deep sleep state and in the dream state there is for me a surreal sense of "I" consciousness and therefore I miss the pure consciousness state. So, to catch the transition from the deep sleep state to the dream state will take more mental power that I have right now. Anyone else have some thoughts on this? TIA, Alton RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > om gurave namah > > Dear Vicki, > > Thank you for this sage piece of advice. This is a great place to start > atmavicara. With practice atmavicara will start immediately on wake- up. > What better way to start the day ?!?! > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles > --------- > > One early morning Sri Bhagavan explained how we have a glimpse > > of the real Self every day. Between sleep and waking there is > > a momentary twilight. The waking consciousness begins with > > the "I" thought . Just before the up-surge of the "I" thought , > > there is a split second of undifferentiated , pure consciousness . > > First unconsciousness , then the light of pure consciousness, > > then the "I" thought with which the world-consciousness floods in, > > this is the order. The middle state is Self-awareness . > > We can sense it if we are sufficiently alert and watchful. > > .................................................................... ........... > > taken from > > Sri Ramana Reminiscences > > G.V. SUBBARAMAYYA > > second edition , Sri Ramanasramam , 1973 > > .................................................................... ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 Dear Alton, In deep sleep one is in 'unconscious' Self-Realisation. There is no 'I' therefore only the Self exists. The Self exists throughout all three states, It is the only continuity, the true Identity. The individual has no continuity. If one can slow down the arising of 'ahamkara' in the transition from one state to another then one experiences That. The window of opportunity appears to be very small. What is required is vigilance. Through Grace and the development of a continual process of atmavicara while awake, one automatically turns towards the Source at every opportunity. Then, just after sleep, at a time when ahamkara is weakest (just as it arises), atmavicara will automatically kick in. Gradually ahamkara can be held off for longer and longer periods. If this kind of discipline is practiced ahamkara gives way much more easily, and much more often. It is only thought that interferes. Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles --------- > I also posted this on MillionPaths to see it anyone else has some > ideas about it. > > Unfortunately for me the dream state comes right after the deep sleep > state and in the dream state there is for me a surreal sense of "I" > consciousness and therefore I miss the pure consciousness state. So, > to catch the transition from the deep sleep state to the dream state > will take more mental power that I have right now. > Anyone else have some thoughts on this? > TIA, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 Dear Miles: Thank you for your response. I await ripeness. I posted this link on MillionPaths because this same issue was raised there. Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > Dear Alton, > > In deep sleep one is in 'unconscious' Self-Realisation. There is no 'I' > therefore only the Self exists. The Self exists throughout all three states, > It is the only continuity, the true Identity. The individual has no > continuity. If one can slow down the arising of 'ahamkara' in the transition > from one state to another then one experiences That. The window of > opportunity appears to be very small. What is required is vigilance. > > Through Grace and the development of a continual process of atmavicara while > awake, one automatically turns towards the Source at every opportunity. > Then, just after sleep, at a time when ahamkara is weakest (just as it > arises), atmavicara will automatically kick in. Gradually ahamkara can be > held off for longer and longer periods. If this kind of discipline is > practiced ahamkara gives way much more easily, and much more often. > It is only thought that interferes. > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles > --------- > > > I also posted this on MillionPaths to see it anyone else has some > > ideas about it. > > > > Unfortunately for me the dream state comes right after the deep sleep > > state and in the dream state there is for me a surreal sense of "I" > > consciousness and therefore I miss the pure consciousness state. So, > > to catch the transition from the deep sleep state to the dream state > > will take more mental power that I have right now. > > Anyone else have some thoughts on this? > > TIA, > > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 In a message dated 4/1/2002 2:13:27 AM Central Standard Time, g_m_ramesh writes: > Om namo bagavathe sri ramanaya > *I am curious about the pronounciation of this... Could someone help me phonetically? Also is this just a greeting or can is it used for a mantra? Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Om namo bagavathe sri ramanaya pranams.. I feel that mental power will be of little help to hold this state. bagavan's grace is more important. Absolute surrender may be bring the required alertness love Ramesh RamanaMaharshi, "lostnfoundation" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > I also posted this on MillionPaths to see it anyone else has some > ideas about it. > > Unfortunately for me the dream state comes right after the deep sleep > state and in the dream state there is for me a surreal sense of "I" > consciousness and therefore I miss the pure consciousness state. So, > to catch the transition from the deep sleep state to the dream state > will take more mental power that I have right now. > Anyone else have some thoughts on this? > TIA, > Alton > > > RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > Thank you for this sage piece of advice. This is a great place to > start > > atmavicara. With practice atmavicara will start immediately on wake- > up. > > What better way to start the day ?!?! > > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > > Miles > > --------- > > > One early morning Sri Bhagavan explained how we have a glimpse > > > of the real Self every day. Between sleep and waking there is > > > a momentary twilight. The waking consciousness begins with > > > the "I" thought . Just before the up-surge of the "I" thought , > > > there is a split second of undifferentiated , pure consciousness . > > > First unconsciousness , then the light of pure consciousness, > > > then the "I" thought with which the world-consciousness floods in, > > > this is the order. The middle state is Self-awareness . > > > We can sense it if we are sufficiently alert and watchful. > > > > .................................................................... > .......... > > > taken from > > > Sri Ramana Reminiscences > > > G.V. SUBBARAMAYYA > > > second edition , Sri Ramanasramam , 1973 > > > > .................................................................... > .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 om gurave namah --------- Dear Poly, 'om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya' meaning: 'I bow down, in humble obeisance (in surrender), to Lord Sri Ramana.' What better mantra could there be for His devotee!?! It's a great 'cutter of thought' and prelude to atmavicara. It is the Supreme ajapa-japa. om namo bhagavatay (/ bh / is an aspirate / b / (slight aspiration)) shree ramanaaya (/ n / is retroflex, the third syllable is long) Does anyone know if there is an accessible recording of this on the net? Miles --------- >> Om namo bagavathe sri ramanaya >> > *I am curious about the pronounciation of this... > Could someone help me phonetically? > Also is this just a greeting or can is it used for a mantra? > Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Dear Poly, this is the story about the Ramana-mantra: "In 1945/6 Sri Managala Venkataramiah's daughter, Smt. Kamakshi, came to reside with him at the Ashram for a month. One morning she entered the hall at about 4.30 a.m. No one else was there except Sri Bhagavan. Kamakshi paid her respects to Sri Bhagavan and when she got up, Sri Bhagavan called her and showed her a small slip on which he had written: OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA. Then he told her to chant it always, which she did througout he life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bhagavan Sri Ramana: A Pictorial Biography, p. 81 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can use it as a mantra or as a prayer. You can use it with the breath. It is of great effect when the mind is too restless for self enquiry. Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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