Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Dear Vicki, I am all right. Thank you so much for your care and love. Hope you are also? About me: the first thing I have urgently to do now is to put myself in the inner washing machine and swith on the boiling programme, close the door of the machine behind me and have a good wash. So I will be silent for some time as the door is closed. When the boiling programme is over I can be here and on HS again. In which way we will see then. So don't care, Vicki, being washed is always a release. But please allow me to be silent for a while. And don't worry! All goes by as it came. Ever yours in Sri Ramana Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, viorica weissman <vioricail> wrote: > dear Gabriele, > > do you feel better ? > I hope you are not sad any more . > > hope you are feeling better, > take care - these discussions on other lists > don't do us too much good as I noticed ; > > posting is one thing and getting trapped > in all kind of controversions is another thing ; > > I don't think we need that , do we ? > > many people enjoy talking and analyzing > and being always right in a conversation , > that is not for us , isn't it ? > we don't need that, do we ? > > let us take more care ; > > hoping you feel much better , > let me know that you are alright, > > > vicki. > > > > ===== > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Please do not flood the group with personal problems.......Thanks - reddy viorica weissman [vioricail] Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:21 PM RamanaMaharshi Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Re: feeling better ? I am so glad ! So glad ! Thank you !!!!! --- gabriele_ebert <g.ebert wrote: > Dear Vicki, > I am all right. Thank you so much for your care and > love. Hope you > are also? > About me: the first thing I have urgently to do now > is to put myself > in the inner washing machine and swith on the > boiling programme, > close the door of the machine behind me and have a > good wash. So I > will be silent for some time as the door is closed. > When the boiling > programme is over I can be here and on HS again. In > which way we will > see then. So don't care, Vicki, being washed is > always a release. But > please allow me to be silent for a while. And don't > worry! All goes > by as it came. > Ever yours in Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > > RamanaMaharshi, viorica weissman > <vioricail> wrote: > > dear Gabriele, > > > > do you feel better ? > > I hope you are not sad any more . > > > > hope you are feeling better, > > take care - these discussions on other lists > > don't do us too much good as I noticed ; > > > > posting is one thing and getting trapped > > in all kind of controversions is another thing ; > > > > I don't think we need that , do we ? > > > > many people enjoy talking and analyzing > > and being always right in a conversation , > > that is not for us , isn't it ? > > we don't need that, do we ? > > > > let us take more care ; > > > > hoping you feel much better , > > let me know that you are alright, > > > > > > vicki. > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes./ > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: > RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > > ===== Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Dear all, Sorry to be butting in. I am silently enjoying all the nice postings and warm feelings expressed in the mails. I am not going into the details as all of us face similar problems one way or other. If these problems are not there where is the need to pursue Ramana's teachings. Here is a bit from my experience. My observation is that 'see who is really hurt' or who is really talking. Follow it all the way for days if required without judging - good or bad. You will find that it is not 'you at all' . Just the mind and the ego as usual feeling nice , hurt and all that. If that is done no more going back. For heaven's sake do not identify yourself with all the words and thoughts during this active yet silent observation. The result will be your own new experience. With love, Vatsa gabriele_ebert wrote: > Dear Vicki, > I am all right. Thank you so much for your care and love. Hope you > are also? > About me: the first thing I have urgently to do now is to put myself > in the inner washing machine and swith on the boiling programme, > close the door of the machine behind me and have a good wash. So I > will be silent for some time as the door is closed. When the boiling > programme is over I can be here and on HS again. In which way we will > see then. So don't care, Vicki, being washed is always a release. But > please allow me to be silent for a while. And don't worry! All goes > by as it came. > Ever yours in Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > RamanaMaharshi, viorica weissman <vioricail> wrote: > > dear Gabriele, > > > > do you feel better ? > > I hope you are not sad any more . > > > > hope you are feeling better, > > take care - these discussions on other lists > > don't do us too much good as I noticed ; > > > > posting is one thing and getting trapped > > in all kind of controversions is another thing ; > > > > I don't think we need that , do we ? > > > > many people enjoy talking and analyzing > > and being always right in a conversation , > > that is not for us , isn't it ? > > we don't need that, do we ? > > > > let us take more care ; > > > > hoping you feel much better , > > let me know that you are alright, > > > > > > vicki. > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes./ > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Janaka said: How is one to acquire knowledge? How is one to attain liberation? And how is one to reach dispassion? Tell me this, sir. 1.1 Ashtavakra said: If you are seeking liberation, my son, avoid the objects of the senses like poison and cultivate tolerance, sincerity, compassion, contentment, and truthfulness as the antidote. 1.2 You do not consist of any of the elements -- earth, water, fire, air, or even ether. To be liberated, know yourself as consisting of consciousness, the witness of these. 1.3 If only you will remain resting in consciousness, seeing yourself as distinct from the body, then even now you will become happy, peaceful and free from bonds. 1.4 You do not belong to the brahmin or any other caste, you are not at any stage, nor are you anything that the eye can see. You are unattached and formless, the witness of everything -- so be happy. 1.5 Righteousness and unrighteousness, pleasure and pain are purely of the mind and are no concern of yours. You are neither the doer nor the reaper of the consequences, so you are always free. 1.6 You are the one witness of everything and are always completely free. The cause of your bondage is that you see the witness as something other than this. 1.7 Ashtavakra Gita Translated by John Richards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Dear Vatsa: Great sage post. Lately when I have some unwanted thoughts, I tell my self that it is just thoughts. The teachings really work. Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, Srivatsa Krishnaswamy <vatsa@i...> wrote: > Dear all, > Sorry to be butting in. I am silently enjoying all the nice postings and warm > feelings expressed in the mails. I am not going into the details as all of us > face similar problems one way or other. If these problems are not there where > is the need to pursue Ramana's teachings. Here is a bit from my experience. > > My observation is that 'see who is really hurt' or who is really talking. > Follow it all the way for days if required without judging - good or bad. You > will find that it is not 'you at all' . Just the mind and the ego as usual > feeling nice , hurt and all that. If that is done no more going back. > For heaven's sake do not identify yourself with all the words and thoughts > during this active yet silent observation. The result will be your own new > experience. > With love, > Vatsa > > > gabriele_ebert wrote: > > > Dear Vicki, > > I am all right. Thank you so much for your care and love. Hope you > > are also? > > About me: the first thing I have urgently to do now is to put myself > > in the inner washing machine and swith on the boiling programme, > > close the door of the machine behind me and have a good wash. So I > > will be silent for some time as the door is closed. When the boiling > > programme is over I can be here and on HS again. In which way we will > > see then. So don't care, Vicki, being washed is always a release. But > > please allow me to be silent for a while. And don't worry! All goes > > by as it came. > > Ever yours in Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > RamanaMaharshi, viorica weissman <vioricail> wrote: > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > do you feel better ? > > > I hope you are not sad any more . > > > > > > hope you are feeling better, > > > take care - these discussions on other lists > > > don't do us too much good as I noticed ; > > > > > > posting is one thing and getting trapped > > > in all kind of controversions is another thing ; > > > > > > I don't think we need that , do we ? > > > > > > many people enjoy talking and analyzing > > > and being always right in a conversation , > > > that is not for us , isn't it ? > > > we don't need that, do we ? > > > > > > let us take more care ; > > > > > > hoping you feel much better , > > > let me know that you are alright, > > > > > > > > > vicki. > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > http://taxes./ > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 In a message dated 4/10/2002 8:33:58 AM Central Daylight Time, viorica writes: > dear Vatsa, dear Reddy , dear All, > > we are not flooding the group with personal problems ! > * ? > this is our spiritual practice . * Shouldn't it be offlist? Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Yes. I found that this is my deepest experience. Total faith in oneself no matter what is happening in the world involving us will reveal the 'real self'. It is very comforting, disarming and certain. The real self needs is always right. regards, Vatsa lostnfoundation wrote: > Dear Vatsa: > Great sage post. > Lately when I have some unwanted thoughts, I tell my self that it is > just thoughts. The teachings really work. > Aloha, > Alton > > RamanaMaharshi, Srivatsa Krishnaswamy <vatsa@i...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Sorry to be butting in. I am silently enjoying all the nice > postings and warm > > feelings expressed in the mails. I am not going into the details as > all of us > > face similar problems one way or other. If these problems are not > there where > > is the need to pursue Ramana's teachings. Here is a bit from my > experience. > > > > My observation is that 'see who is really hurt' or who is really > talking. > > Follow it all the way for days if required without judging - good > or bad. You > > will find that it is not 'you at all' . Just the mind and the ego > as usual > > feeling nice , hurt and all that. If that is done no more going > back. > > For heaven's sake do not identify yourself with all the words and > thoughts > > during this active yet silent observation. The result will be your > own new > > experience. > > With love, > > Vatsa > > > > > > gabriele_ebert wrote: > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > I am all right. Thank you so much for your care and love. Hope you > > > are also? > > > About me: the first thing I have urgently to do now is to put > myself > > > in the inner washing machine and swith on the boiling programme, > > > close the door of the machine behind me and have a good wash. So I > > > will be silent for some time as the door is closed. When the > boiling > > > programme is over I can be here and on HS again. In which way we > will > > > see then. So don't care, Vicki, being washed is always a release. > But > > > please allow me to be silent for a while. And don't worry! All > goes > > > by as it came. > > > Ever yours in Sri Ramana > > > Gabriele > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, viorica weissman <vioricail> > wrote: > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > do you feel better ? > > > > I hope you are not sad any more . > > > > > > > > hope you are feeling better, > > > > take care - these discussions on other lists > > > > don't do us too much good as I noticed ; > > > > > > > > posting is one thing and getting trapped > > > > in all kind of controversions is another thing ; > > > > > > > > I don't think we need that , do we ? > > > > > > > > many people enjoy talking and analyzing > > > > and being always right in a conversation , > > > > that is not for us , isn't it ? > > > > we don't need that, do we ? > > > > > > > > let us take more care ; > > > > > > > > hoping you feel much better , > > > > let me know that you are alright, > > > > > > > > > > > > vicki. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > > http://taxes./ > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Very nicely said and true. No need to fight with the thoughts in the present. There may be state when one wonders if thought ever existed. Time to laugh at ourselves then. regards to all, Vatsa vioricail wrote: > My experience is of a difference kind. > Old attachments dissapear, dissolve by themselves. > As the recently discussed topic - personal background. > Just vanished. The past - just vanished. > When I try to think of my past , I realize it is not there; > A set of dry memories who don't affect me and don't say > anything to me anymore . And of no need. > > v. > > > Yes. I found that this is my deepest experience. Total faith in > oneself no > > matter what is happening in the world involving us will reveal > the 'real > > self'. It is very comforting, disarming and certain. The real self > needs is > > always right. > > regards, > > Vatsa > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Viorica wrote: "And then I think of Ramana , and speak with him in my mind : "You did this to me , didn't you ? Thank you !!!" Very touching. Thank you, Love, Alton RamanaMaharshi, "viorica_weissman" <viorica_weissman> wrote: > > Sometimes feelings take over; for a couple of hours , for a day > or two; I feel I am at their disposal , to do whatever they want > to me; in the same time I know there is something else, > something more to it and this gives me the patience to wait > and let the feeling do its task and go; when it frees me > I know why it was there - another attachement dissapeared , > or I see a different side of something that I thought it was > in a certain way or I see where I was wrong or blind or > my understanding incomplete ; > > So my feelings are like the cleaning waves of water ; > Sometimes the water is a stormy ocean , other times a mild > river; they come and go and unveil things ; > > Sometimes it hurts or burns - but here it is , and > here it is not - gone ! no trace behind. > and here I am , easier , my life luggage lost weight ; > > And then I think of Ramana , and speak with him > in my mind : "You did this to me , didn't you ? > Thank you !!!" RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> wrote: > > > > My experience is of a difference kind. > > Old attachments dissapear, dissolve by themselves. > > As the recently discussed topic - personal background. > > Just vanished. The past - just vanished. > > When I try to think of my past , I realize it is not there; > > A set of dry memories who don't affect me and don't say > > anything to me anymore . And of no need. > > > > v. > > > > > Yes. I found that this is my deepest experience. Total faith in > > oneself no > > > matter what is happening in the world involving us will reveal > > the 'real > > > self'. It is very comforting, disarming and certain. The real > self > > needs is > > > always right. > > > regards, > > > Vatsa > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 dear vicki, I can only say one thing. Even our course whatever it is - is only by the Grace of Unknowable. Totally protective and silent. It drives everything. Thought is totally futile in this aspect. It is that inside which keeps pulling us inside and only way it is able to get our commitment seems to be through a bit suffering to really clean us of our vanity and 'self love'. We really do not know what is solidand profound and want to continuity of a little happiness. I just wait through without trying to force the results through my stupid thinking. -Vatsa viorica weissman wrote: > dear Vatsa , > > my past vanished like smoke and yet there are still > some indefinite expectations ; they won't leave me at the moment, > just keeping me prisoner ; I don't know exactly how to describe it , > what it is and how it is - some unsolved something . > > But I imagine that had future vanished in same way ....then ... > > I feel a kind of abyss when thinking at it . > > Time to laugh ...? > Will I ever laugh like this? > I can't know. > > Thank you for sharing your experience , > > vicki. > > > Very nicely said and true. No need to fight with the thoughts in the > present. > > There may be state when one wonders if thought ever existed. Time to laugh > at > > ourselves then. > > regards to all, > > Vatsa > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Hello Vicki, Thought is just a veil which could vaporize as you mentioned. It may sound very strong and directly in charge of our actions. But it can melt away by just becoming aware. I agree with you the Unknowable uses thought also to bring us to it. It is exactly like coming out of dreams, slowly but surely, exactly the way Ramana says that even the wakeful experience is but a dream of 'I' ness. The commitment and surity of purpose is good enough to wake up (I am not yet there but there is no anxiety). The question then how did the thought happen. I think it is a deliberate act of ITSELF to pretend separation (or 'many') for evolutionary and operational reasons. So all are ITS forms without discrimination or preference , it can reveal itself IN anybody, anytime, anyplace no matter what. No identity will be left of that form after that. regards, Vatsa vioricail wrote: > > dear vicki, > > I can only say one thing. Even our course whatever it is - is only > by the Grace of Unknowable. Totally protective and silent. It drives > everything. > > dear Vatsa , > > Yes I am sure it is so, > sometimes this Unknowable gives such a strong push > to bring us to it , and it knows to make itself loved > so much ; > > > Thought is > > totally futile in this aspect. > > Don't you think sometimes the Unknowable uses thought also > to bring us to it ? > > It is that inside which keeps pulling us inside > > and only way it is able to get our commitment seems to be through > a bit > > suffering to really clean us of our vanity and 'self love'. We > really do not know what is solidand profound and want to continuity > of a little happiness. > > I just wait through without trying to force the results through > my stupid > > thinking. > > I think I am doing the same. > > thank you for your letter, > > ``` vicki > > > > -Vatsa > > > > viorica weissman wrote: > > > > > dear Vatsa , > > > > > > my past vanished like smoke and yet there are still > > > some indefinite expectations ; they won't leave me at the moment, > > > just keeping me prisoner ; I don't know exactly how to describe > it , > > > what it is and how it is - some unsolved something . > > > > > > But I imagine that had future vanished in same way ....then ... > > > > > > I feel a kind of abyss when thinking at it . > > > > > > Time to laugh ...? > > > Will I ever laugh like this? > > > I can't know. > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your experience , > > > > > > vicki. > > > > > > > Very nicely said and true. No need to fight with the thoughts > in the > > > present. > > > > There may be state when one wonders if thought ever existed. > Time to laugh > > > at > > > > ourselves then. > > > > regards to all, > > > > Vatsa > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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