Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 A suggestion: antakAle ca mAmeva smaranmuktvA kalevaram / yah prayAti sa madbhAvam yAti nAstyatra saMSayah // yaM yaM vApi smaranbhAvaM tyajatyante kalevaram / taM tamevaiti kaunteya sadA tadbhAvabhAvitah // 'And the one, who, at the time of death, having abandoned the body, remembers Me alone, that one attains the True Nature of 'I'; in this there is no doubt.' 'Whatever mental state one remembers, at the end, when one leaves the body, to that alone one goes, O Son of Kunti, (because of) ever 'thinking' of that state.' (Bhagavad Gita, 8; 5,6) This is the reason Self Enquiry 'practice' is so important. At the time of death, the ego throws up all the reasons it can to show its (small) self-importance. It reflects on its life... desperate to sustain that life. It bemoans the loss of its family and friends. It screams that this cannot be happening to one so awfully important. It remembers its possessions. It dwells on property and business. All it is... is these random thoughts. All this seems like it takes an age...but happens in the blink of an eye. EGO PANICS. This is the time to catch it. If Self Enquiry has been rehearsed, in the 'strong' mind... it cuts in, finding ego weak and vulnerable, and eradicates all trace of ego... there and then. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. There is absolutely no doubt. Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Miles offered: "If Self Enquiry has been rehearsed, in the > 'strong' mind... it cuts in, finding ego weak and vulnerable, and eradicates > all trace of ego... there and then" The Tibetans say that out of the body our minds are 1000 times stonger. If that is true, just imagine the power behind the question "WHO ARE I" Namaste, Alton RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > A suggestion: > > > antakAle ca mAmeva smaranmuktvA kalevaram / > yah prayAti sa madbhAvam yAti nAstyatra saMSayah // > > yaM yaM vApi smaranbhAvaM tyajatyante kalevaram / > taM tamevaiti kaunteya sadA tadbhAvabhAvitah // > > > > 'And the one, who, at the time of death, having abandoned the body, > remembers Me alone, that one attains the True Nature of 'I'; in this there > is no doubt.' > > 'Whatever mental state one remembers, at the end, when one leaves the body, > to that alone one goes, O Son of Kunti, (because of) ever 'thinking' of that > state.' > > (Bhagavad Gita, 8; 5,6) > > > This is the reason Self Enquiry 'practice' is so important. At the time of > death, the ego throws up all the reasons it can to show its (small) > self-importance. It reflects on its life... desperate to sustain that life. > It bemoans the loss of its family and friends. It screams that this cannot > be happening to one so awfully important. It remembers its possessions. It > dwells on property and business. All it is... is these random thoughts. All > this seems like it takes an age...but happens in the blink of an eye. > EGO PANICS. > This is the time to catch it. If Self Enquiry has been rehearsed, in the > 'strong' mind... it cuts in, finding ego weak and vulnerable, and eradicates > all trace of ego... there and then. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. > There is absolutely no doubt. > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Hi: I have been reading messages for a few days. Fear of death is something I am familiar with in my meditation only. After many years of meditation I reached a point beyond which I could not go. Each time I got to this point in deep meditation I would get fearful. How did I know I was doing something good and not giving in to the devil, erroneous effort, or opening myself to being taken over in some way? This frustrated me for several years ruining my best meditations and sending me back to stage one again. I would work my way back over weeks of effort only to be afraid again when the opportunity to go past that point occurred. Finally, desperately, I decided I was willing to die to know the truth. The next time that point approached I was willing to die. I was relaxed and nothing happened except bliss which I had never been able to distinguish before. Since then the fear never returned. That was my fear of death that caused me to balk. I never even knew I had a fear of death. I was mistaken when I assigned other causes to the fear. There was no way to face illusions such as the devil, uncertainty, and being possessed. When I faced the real fear, death, it left. Such is the power of truth. I have been enjoying the ambience of this site. Sri Ramana lives in my heart too. Thanks to all the list members. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 The fear of death has something to do with the knot in the heart. This knot causes somehow the fear. By cutting it asunder by the means of surrender or self-enquiry fear vanishes. Guru's Grace is needed. Disciple: You said 'Heart' is the one centre for the ego-self, for the Real Self, for the Lord, for all ... Maharshi: Yes, the Heart is the centre of the Real. But the ego is impermanent. Like everything else it is supported by the Heart centre. But the character of the ego is a link between spirit and matter; it is a knot (granthi), the knot of radical ignorance in which one is steeped. This granthi is there in the 'Hrit', the Heart. When this knot is cut asunder by proper means you find that this is the Self's centre. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sat-Darshana Bhashya ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMANAYA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 "dear friends, all roads lead to Rome ;" Will that give more meaning to the statement. "Do as the Roman's do"? Once in a while some humor cheers one up. Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, viorica weissman <vioricail> wrote: > dear friends, > all roads lead to Rome ; > > --- Gabriele Ebert <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > The fear of death has something to do with the knot > > in the heart. This knot causes somehow the fear. By > > cutting it asunder by the means of surrender or > > self-enquiry fear vanishes. Guru's Grace is needed. > > > > > ===== > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 -"what worries me is that Richard might come back on earth to tell my grandkids his grandfather' s stories; wondering whether it wouldn't be better for him to tell us those stories now and end up with them," Me thinks Richard already knows that he can tell those stories without "I" identification. The "I" that wont let us tell our stories for fear of having others see us are "ego driven" is part of the problem and not the the solution. Who is it that speaks of not telling our stories? Aloha, Alton -- In RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > Dear Richard wrote: > > "Maybe someday there will be no story" > > > > Have you asked, "who is it that desires that someday there will be no > > story? Is that just another thought object that hinders further > > deepening? I will accept any reply without challenge. > > Namaste, > > Alton > > > dear Alton, > > what worries me is that Richard might come back > on earth to tell my grandkids his grandfather' s stories; > wondering whether it wouldn't be better for him > to tell us those stories now and end up with them, > > aloha, > v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Dear Alton and v. Thanks Alton. I think your view is correct. I can tell the stories just fine to others. Here they are just stories. My spiritual concern is in my telling and living these stories as "I." My concern is not what others think, but rather in what I identify with. The indentification as the body/mind/ego, as this particular "Richard" is just a habit (Ramana called them "vasanas," tendencies). Inquiry starts to break this habit. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "lostnfoundation" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > -"what worries me is that Richard might come back > on earth to tell my grandkids his grandfather' s stories; > wondering whether it wouldn't be better for him > to tell us those stories now and end up with them," > > Me thinks Richard already knows that he can tell those stories > without "I" identification. The "I" that wont let us tell our stories > for fear of having others see us are "ego driven" is part of the > problem and not the the solution. Who is it that speaks of not > telling our stories? > Aloha, > Alton > -- In RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Richard wrote: > > > "Maybe someday there will be no story" > > > > > > Have you asked, "who is it that desires that someday there will > be no > > > story? Is that just another thought object that hinders further > > > deepening? I will accept any reply without challenge. > > > Namaste, > > > Alton > > > > > > dear Alton, > > > > what worries me is that Richard might come back > > on earth to tell my grandkids his grandfather' s stories; > > wondering whether it wouldn't be better for him > > to tell us those stories now and end up with them, > > > > aloha, > > v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Dear v. I am happy to share All with you. Unconditionally. Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Richard > this time - no joke. > If I'll ever meet you in life I would like so much > to hear your grandfather's stories , > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Dear Viorica wrote: "dear Alton, Me wanted to joke, You took my joke seriously ? aloha" Sometimes a sense of humor can get you in deep trouble. Like with this poem about Enligthenment; posting it here could get me banned by Dear Miles. GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT ENLIGHTENMENT I have been a serious seeker for 25 years Most has been fraught with too many tears I started by reading a book by a saint Who was able to say the body just aint I followed his example by ignoring the somatic But wound up with a case of a painful sciatic I switched to yoga and worked up positions Twisting my body to improve its conditions It made me feel good and so very tight But never did I see one speck of light Initiations by those sound and light masters Ended up being only dietary disasters I read that it's good to not have any sex When I deprived her she left me for Tex I studied Zen with a Master that beat me It was elder abuse and no way to treat me I've given up the quest for enlightenment now And decided to just be and live in the Tao Aloha, Alton Dear Viorica wrote: RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > dear Alton, > Me wanted to joke, You took my joke seriously ? > aloha > > > > -"what worries me is that Richard might come back > > on earth to tell my grandkids his grandfather' s stories; > > wondering whether it wouldn't be better for him > > to tell us those stories now and end up with them," > > > > Me thinks Richard already knows that he can tell those stories > > without "I" identification. The "I" that wont let us tell our stories > > for fear of having others see us are "ego driven" is part of the > > problem and not the the solution. Who is it that speaks of not > > telling our stories? > > Aloha, > > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 That's beautiful, Vicki, nevertheless I for myself don't like too much talk and holding hands and love declarations. No that's simply not so much my thing - but that's only for me and has to do with different temperament. For you it is alright and everything else would be not natural for you - for me it`s a little bit the contrary. I like more the coolness of the mind, the cool brise and not so much the fire and the change of emotions. People are different. But at the end both - thinking and emotions - thoughts, arguments, love and hate has to be let aside. So at least this does not matter of what temperament this i is. It is only a phantom. In Sri Ramana Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > what I meant , Gabriele, is that we can't live > without communicating and having friends > and hold other people's hands. > we are alone and not alone, > I am with you and with anybody else and so > you are. > v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dear Viorica wrote: "I would really wish to hold very very strongly the hands of some dear friends on this list" Then you must have a beholden temperament? LOL. Love, Alton . RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Gabriele, > > you say people are different. > My neighbours on my right are originary from Ukraina, > my left -born in Israel originary from Italy & Morrocco , > above - one who told me once his family survived > ten generations in Jerusalem and he is the 11-th, > below-born in Israel orinary from Poland , > I - originary from Romania, > my boss' family came from Egypt , part of his family lives now in USA, > his wife - Morocco, > another coleague - Israeli ,his family came from Poland,his wife- Iraq, > another one - his father came from Germany and mother Morocco, > another one - his grandfather came by foot from Taiwan to Israel, > many others : USA, Russia, Ethyopia, France,England,Argentina,Brazil,Iraq, > South Africa ,Hungary,Iran,Iraq,Turkey,Yugoslavia,Romania,Canada,Germany, > my family doctor - Switzerland .... > have I forgotten somebody out ?! > > You know how I learnt to deal with different temperaments ? > > Where there are too many , there is none. > > As about holding hands , I find this screen so frustrating > as I would really wish to hold very very strongly > the hands of some dear friends on this list . > > ~~~ vicki > > > That's beautiful, Vicki, nevertheless I for myself don't like too > > much talk and holding hands and love declarations. No that's simply > > not so much my thing - but that's only for me and has to do with > > different temperament. For you it is alright and everything else > > would be not natural for you - for me it`s a little bit the contrary. > > I like more the coolness of the mind, the cool brise and not so much > > the fire and the change of emotions. People are different. > > But at the end both - thinking and emotions - thoughts, arguments, > > love and hate has to be let aside. So at least this does not matter > > of what temperament this i is. It is only a phantom. > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Frustrating? Why? OK you may forget the different temperaments but please don't be frustrated. There is no reason! You have very good friends here. When I sign with my short "in HIM" or "in Sri Ramana" you can take it also as an expression of friendship, because He is THAT which alone exists. THAT is His nature which is also our nature. In HIM Gabriele > As about holding hands , I find this screen so frustrating > as I would really wish to hold very very strongly > the hands of some dear friends on this list . > > ~~~ vicki > > > That's beautiful, Vicki, nevertheless I for myself don't like too > > much talk and holding hands and love declarations. No that's simply > > not so much my thing - but that's only for me and has to do with > > different temperament. For you it is alright and everything else > > would be not natural for you - for me it`s a little bit the contrary. > > I like more the coolness of the mind, the cool brise and not so much > > the fire and the change of emotions. People are different. > > But at the end both - thinking and emotions - thoughts, arguments, > > love and hate has to be let aside. So at least this does not matter > > of what temperament this i is. It is only a phantom. > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dear Self Inquiry advocate Viorica wrote what you read below and I copy that because I take teachings from high souls like Viorica and Richard and Miles and the rest of this group. aloha RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Alton, > our co-Earth inhabitants turned this act of an unearthy beauty > into a devoided of any value formal act. > If done with real care and love for a Maya character > you feel one with the whole Maya world, > aloha > v. > > > > > Dear Viorica wrote: > > > > "I would really wish to hold very very strongly > > the hands of some dear friends on this list" > > > > Then you must have a beholden temperament? LOL. > > Love, > > Alton . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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