PRIOR TO CONSCIOUSNESS

[Guest guest]

March 28, 1981

 

 

Q: What is the relation between consciousness and the intellect?

 

M: Intellect is the expression of consciousness.

 

Q: We understand and apperceive everything through the intellect only.

 

M: Things to be done must be done; things to be understood must be understood.

Thinks to be done are normally your present worldly life and these you must

carry out. In spirituality you have to understand, there is no question of

doing. In spirituality there is no name and form. Name and for are necessary

for your practical worldly life. The one who understand that name and form are

not his identity is in spirituality. Presently you are still drawn towards name

and form. Your identity in the phenomenal world as name and form is temporary,

a passing show, and anything relating to name and form is not going to remain.

 

One who understands spirituality through concepts will be caught up in a

vicious circle.

 

If you are caught up in concepts, you will be caught up in the circle of

concepts..rebirth, reincarnation, these are all concepts. If you are caught up

in these concepts you are bound to have them. Out of concepts the forms are

created, such as buildings, etc. Originally you make a plan, you have a

concept, the concept is born out if you and you give it a concrete shape, but it

remains a concept.

 

With the experience of so - called birth you are caught up in the cycle

like the picture on the TV screen. All this life - happening is something like

a cinema.

 

You must have observed daily that situation are constantly changing - that

is the quality or expression of your identity with the body - mind.

 

It is the consciousness that is playing about, and in that manifest

consciousness all these various faces and bodies are playing about. You are not

these faces and bodies, you are the consciousness out of which the word are now

flowing.

 

Just as the play you see on the TV or cinema screen is not real, similarly

this play is also not real. For a jnani all the play is unreal.

 

I am not going to give you solution to your family problems, I am telling

you haw this worldly life is not. After listening to these talks you still want

to grain some profit for yourself; that is a pity. How astonishing it is. in

spite of my discouraging you from coming here, still you come here, how does it

happen?

 

Without making demands we see the dream. Why do we see the dream? Because

in deep sleep the consciousness wakes up, spontaneously, and because it woke up,

it manifests itself in certain visions. Just like that, this also, your visiting

this place.

 

I am not talking to you for my advantage, nor are you listening for your

advantage - all this language is sprouting spontaneously in a dreamlike state.

 

I always try to direct you toward the truth but you come here with a bundle

of conceptual sticks and stones, and instead of listening to what I say, you

play with the stick and stones - on me.

 

Right now, think of that last moment when the body will go - at that time

with what identity are you going to quit? This is a fraud; everything is

fraudulent, just like a dream world.

 

Q: What is the primary cause? What was the crime?

 

M: The crime was that this consciousness started feeling conscious, the

mischief started.

 

Whether you like it or don't like it, I am going to place before you the

 

factual state of affairs. You know you are - but it is all imaginary. You

think you are - but it is a fraud. Whatever the nature of the beingness and its

behavior, it is not your behavior.

 

When you abide in your true identity you are out of this mischievous dream

world. I have placed before you what you are.

 

All of you have the fear that you are going to die, that this consciousness is

going to depart - all the expressions are the expression of the food essence

body, not you. Sweetness or pungency are the expression of the food, you cannot

conserve or preserve them. In the same way this "I Amness" is a quality or

expression of the food essence body, and you cannot retain it forever.