Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 In a message dated 5/20/02 8:18:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, leenalton writes: << "Hmmmm. Seem to have touched a raw nerve. ;-)" Mark >> *Who is smug? Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 "Hmmmm. Seem to have touched a raw nerve. ;-)" Mark Who's Alton The last one was send by mistake. RamanaMaharshi, "Milarepa" <milarepa@i...> wrote: > Hmmmm. Seem to have touched a raw nerve. ;-) > > Mark > > > Dear Milarepa Mark wrote: > "Who is the "I" you are > > referring to that benefits from all these practices?" > > Possibly it is a corrupted cosmic false identity that all but a > handful are stuck with, until for some unknown reason "ripeness" > occurs; this "I" that I am referring to must experience pain and > pleasure. This "I" is learning from "teachings" to act in more > skillful manners and therefore can enjoy the temporal plains? > > How about you anwering your own question? > I realize that those "true believers" might get upset by what I > posted. So then they get to have their attachments uncovered. > TIA. > Love, > Alton > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Milarepa" <milarepa@i...> wrote: > > Alton: > > > > Playing devil's advocate here, all of your answers about practices > refer to > > "I" and most of them begin with the same word. Who is the "I" you > are > > referring to that benefits from all these practices? > > > > Mark > > > > > > Godman wrote: Snipped.. > > "I don't think that there are many people in the world in whom > the "I" has > > died." > > > > "Papaji used to say, "What comes and goes is not real. If you have > had an > > experience that came and went, it was not an experience of the Self > because > > the > > Self never comes and goes." > > > > Alton is on stage here: > > Even though there are an awful lot of souls on the net that claim > > "Realization", I agree with the above statements. > > So, not only do I think "realization is not feasible for me this > lifetime, > > but I am not even working for it. > > Then you ask why do I read Nisargadatta and Ramana and do meditation > > practice? > > > > Answer: Because the process works and not the goal seeking. > > I feel more and more love and interconnectedness with all beings. > > I have more concentration ability and it keeps improving. > > It feels peaceful to meditate even though I still have too many > thoughts per > > second. > > I am more detached from heavy duty thoughts that appear out of no- > where. > > I can hold my center and not react as much as in previous years. > > Being able to sit for long periods of time gives one patience. > > By understanding my mind I have more tolerance for offensive > people, because > > my own mind is an offense to me. > > With increased meditation time I have a nice feeling of alive power > in my > > mind. > > For the same reason I do Iyengar yoga.. It feel good. and works for > me, > > > > The above is just a reflection on my psyche at this time and if > anyone says > > to ask, "who is it that", I will, but it wont work, so I will then > ask "who > > is it that says it wont work". > > > > Aloha, > > Alton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 In a message dated 5/21/2002 1:48:04 AM Central Daylight Time, leenalton writes: > If someone gets offended by my posts then I take full responsibility > for it and will endeavor to alter my communication modes. > Aloha, > Alton > *Be yourself, man. Your posts are fine. Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 If someone gets offended by my posts then I take full responsibility for it and will endeavor to alter my communication modes. Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, liquidunknown@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/20/02 8:18:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > leenalton@h... writes: > > << "Hmmmm. Seem to have touched a raw nerve. ;-)" > > Mark >> > > *Who is smug? > > Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) Mark *Who is smug? Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 In a message dated 5/21/02 11:50:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, milarepa writes: << Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) Mark >> *Or taste of your own medicine :-) Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 In a message dated 5/21/02 6:09:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, milarepa writes: << Hmmm. Vindictiveness too. Mark *Not really. How often does vindictiveness include smiley emoticons?..... I notice that there is an awful lot of reductionism or using Ramana's turning the question back on the one asking the question.... But it seems in some cases to take the form of one-upmanship... I noticed you were questioning Alton's post and I was curious to see how you'd react to someone turning the question around on you. I have no ill will towards you and perhaps you're reading a negative tone into my emails... My curiosity is piqued because while I see the highest level of gnani in Ramana it seems that this turnaround is used anytime someone expresses something in human terms.... Why is this a liability? I guess my position is that unless you've realized the self ... it seems odd to use this technique.... So how does the community of Advaitins discuss anything without reducing it to something that may only be an intellectual excersize from reading the books? Seriously, there's no enmity here I am just curious... Poly << Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) Mark >> *Or taste of your own medicine :-) Poly >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hmmm. Vindictiveness too. Mark << Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) Mark >> *Or taste of your own medicine :-) Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 -At least you two are keeping it to one liners. Aloha and peace, Alton -- In RamanaMaharshi, "Milarepa" <milarepa@i...> wrote: > Hmmm. Vindictiveness too. > > Mark > > << Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) > > Mark >> > > *Or taste of your own medicine :-) > Poly > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 In a message dated 5/22/2002 1:52:48 PM Central Daylight Time, milarepa writes: > Hmmmm. Rationalization, defensiveness, and projection again. *I have my faults to be sure, but I notice you didn't really address any of the points or questions I made, you simply reverted to this psychoanalysis. > I apologize to Alton if my comment seemed confrontive, that wasn't the > intention. > His intentions and practice are admirable and worthy of respect. *Yes, they are. However, > this defensive hoopla about an innocent comment seems to point to some > collective sore spots that > could use some attention. *Defensive hoopla? Well I'll try one more time.... I have been seriously injured by participation in another "spiritual" group... Whose lineage was made up and teachings were plagarized. While I have not given up the search I have been advised by someone I admire greatly to "Ring the bell" to see what the response is before involving myself in another group. In the Christian tradition there is a saying "By their fruits you shall know them" I have tried asking difficult questions and/or appeared resistive among various Advaitan sources and can't help but notice the kind of recoil that makes me question how ripe the fruit is. Why take it personally if the teachings are that there is no person? Advaita starts with the highest point - There is only one being. All of the paths I've looked into reveal this truth eventually. I have encountered another path where there was no reaction of a personal level to questioning even after several times... I believe that firmness is what I am looking for. I am thankful for the teachings of Ramana. I will be moving on now, I'd like to thank everyone and offer my best wishes. Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Hmmmm. Rationalization, defensiveness, and projection again. ;-) I apologize to Alton if my comment seemed confrontive, that wasn't the intention. His intentions and practice are admirable and worthy of respect. However, this defensive hoopla about an innocent comment seems to point to some collective sore spots that could use some attention. Mark In a message dated 5/21/02 6:09:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, milarepa writes: << Hmmm. Vindictiveness too. Mark *Not really. How often does vindictiveness include smiley emoticons?..... I notice that there is an awful lot of reductionism or using Ramana's turning the question back on the one asking the question.... But it seems in some cases to take the form of one-upmanship... I noticed you were questioning Alton's post and I was curious to see how you'd react to someone turning the question around on you. I have no ill will towards you and perhaps you're reading a negative tone into my emails... My curiosity is piqued because while I see the highest level of gnani in Ramana it seems that this turnaround is used anytime someone expresses something in human terms.... Why is this a liability? I guess my position is that unless you've realized the self ... it seems odd to use this technique.... So how does the community of Advaitins discuss anything without reducing it to something that may only be an intellectual excersize from reading the books? Seriously, there's no enmity here I am just curious... Poly << Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) Mark >> *Or taste of your own medicine :-) Poly >> Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 This all seems to me like a drama enfolding so all three of us and maybe other members can see their attachments/reactions and release them. Let us see all events as beneficial to our soon to be REALIZATIONS. When you two were having your confrontation, I wished it would go away and that was my attachment. Why should ego "I" want to control events that are apparently predestined. As Kabir so aptly stated: "Let the events come as they come". Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, "Milarepa" <milarepa@i...> wrote: > Hmmmm. Rationalization, defensiveness, and projection again. ;-) > > I apologize to Alton if my comment seemed confrontive, that wasn't the > intention. > His intentions and practice are admirable and worthy of respect. However, > this defensive > hoopla about an innocent comment seems to point to some collective sore > spots that > could use some attention. > > Mark > > > > In a message dated 5/21/02 6:09:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > milarepa@i... writes: > > << Hmmm. Vindictiveness too. > > Mark > > *Not really. How often does vindictiveness include smiley emoticons?..... > I notice that there is an awful lot of reductionism or using Ramana's > turning > the question back on the one asking the question.... > But it seems in some cases to take the form of one-upmanship... > I noticed you were questioning Alton's post and I was curious to see how > you'd react to someone turning the question around on you. I have no ill > will > towards you and perhaps you're reading a negative tone into my emails... > My curiosity is piqued because while I see the highest level of gnani in > Ramana > it seems that this turnaround is used anytime someone expresses something > in human terms.... Why is this a liability? > I guess my position is that unless you've realized the self ... it seems odd > to use this technique.... > So how does the community of Advaitins discuss anything without reducing it > to > something that may only be an intellectual excersize from reading the books? > Seriously, there's no enmity here I am just curious... > Poly > > << Hmmm. Defensive projection. ;-) > > Mark >> > > *Or taste of your own medicine :-) > Poly > >> > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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