Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Dear Miles sagely stated: Guru is absolutely necessary. > > om gurave namah Ignorant Alton asks. Does it have to be a living Guru? My other 5 masters that initiated me, and that no longer interest me, say absolultely that you need a living Guru. Thanks in advance and have a pleasant weekend, the whole dear group included. Aloha, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Dear Alton, Sages recommend living teachers. Ramana did not have one. Nor did Buddha (as far as I know). Nor did Bankai. So some are able to come to Self-realization on their own. Without a living teacher we are much more subject to the whims of our egos. That's the problem. I have found it truly wonderful to have a teacher, to be able to ask a question that shows the limited stand I am taking, then have the teacher 'lift' me higher, and out of the current stand. (I have noticed that they do not answer from the stand of the questioner. The answer is always 'higher.' So without the teacher, I was much more limited in my approach to spirituality. I was a seeker for 20 years without a teacher, and for 10 with one. For me, there is no comparison. I vote for "with a teacher." (Of course, the teacher needs to stand only in Self. I think these are rare.) The other way that a relationship with a Guru helps, is that the love that a seeker often feels for the Teacher, also helps reduce the ego of the seeker. So a Sage "helps" an inquiring seeker by providing teaching that moves the seeker past the ego. The Sage "helps" one devotionally minded step out of ego by love. Both, if taken fully, erase the ego. Certainly the books of teachings and teachers that you refer to contain wonderful, deep Truth. You may be one that can Realize without a Guru. I would say don't settle for an approach that says that Self-realization is not possible for me in this life. This is the only life that you have (at the moment). This is the time to Realize. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "lostnfoundation" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear Miles sagely stated: > Guru is absolutely necessary. > > > > om gurave namah > > Ignorant Alton asks. Does it have to be a living Guru? > My other 5 masters that initiated me, and that no longer interest me, > say absolultely that you need a living Guru. > Thanks in advance and have a pleasant weekend, the whole dear group > included. > Aloha, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 The decrepit Miles replies: M. : The Guru may be sometimes inanimate also, as in the case of Avadhuta. God, Guru and the Self are identical. (from Talk; 23) Living...dead, birth...death, such hurdles. Supremely complete, without beginning or end, unlimited, unascertainable, unchanging, Brahman is One without a second, there is nothing other than He. (Vivekacudamani) Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles ========= > > Dear Miles sagely stated: > Guru is absolutely necessary. >> >> om gurave namah > > Ignorant Alton asks. Does it have to be a living Guru? > My other 5 masters that initiated me, and that no longer interest me, > say absolultely that you need a living Guru. > Thanks in advance and have a pleasant weekend, the whole dear group > included. > Aloha, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Interesting question. If I'm not mistaken Bhagavan said that if it was one's karma to become enlightened without a guru it would happen and the question wouldn't arise. For everyone else, a guru is necessary since they don't know what to do or how to do it. Bhagavan's teaching also makes it plain that he hasn't "died." He didn't "go anywhere." What a paradox eh? Mark > Ignorant Alton asks. Does it have to be a living Guru? > My other 5 masters that initiated me, and that no longer interest me, > say absolultely that you need a living Guru. > Thanks in advance and have a pleasant weekend, the whole dear group > included. > Aloha, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 I read somewhere that Ramana's guru was Arunachala. --Michael At 10:56 PM 6/7/2002, you wrote: >Interesting question. If I'm not mistaken Bhagavan said that if it was >one's karma to become enlightened without a guru it would happen and the >question wouldn't arise. For everyone else, a guru is necessary since they >don't know what to do or how to do it. Bhagavan's teaching also makes it >plain that he hasn't "died." He didn't "go anywhere." >What a paradox eh? > >Mark > > > > Ignorant Alton asks. Does it have to be a living Guru? > > My other 5 masters that initiated me, and that no longer interest me, > > say absolultely that you need a living Guru. > > Thanks in advance and have a pleasant weekend, the whole dear group > > included. > > Aloha, > > Alton > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > ></community/RamanaMaharshi>/communi\ ty/RamanaMaharshi > > >Your use of is subject to the ><> >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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