PRIOR TO CONSCIOUSNESS 9/21/80

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Maharaj: All that one does is for the continuance of the consciousness, but for

me there is nothing at all that I would like to continue.

You come here as individuals expecting to get something, that is where the

mistake arises. There is no individual , so how can I do something for a

non-existing individual? Your true nature is in no way different from mine.

This happening is just a happening which has come and which will go.

If one feels he has to urinate, he just has to urinate, it is not something

different for each one, it is a process of urination which happens to everybody

but you consider everything as something happening to you as an individual.

Q: How can I understand what Maharaj is saying?

M: Discrimination is very necessary to understand what I am saying. It is only

after the arrival of consciousness that we try to understand ourselves.

Consciousness is the so-called birth; birth means the three aspects; waking

state, deep sleep and the knowledge " I Am". Once I understand what this birth

is, then the whole mystery is solved. Since I have thoroughly known what this

birth principal is, I will know very well at that happening of the so-called

death, I shall observe the departure of the vital breath, the language and the

"I Amness"; there is no question of death.

If I understand right now that my vital breath is quitting, I am not going

to arrest it, I am not going to say "You stop now, wait for some time," because

I know very well it is of no use retaining this vital breath and life force.

Any number of dissolutions have come and gone, but in my true, eternal

state I am untouched by them. Prior to this experiential state I was perfect in

every respect, with the arrival of this beingness this imperfect state has

started, and I am fed up with that.

If you really want eternal peace, don't bother about anybody else, worry

about your own self, investigate only your own self.

Who is going to give you eternal peace? If is only the sun, that "I" Am."

If you embrace that Self-effulgent sun everything else will go, but you will

prevail eternally.

Investigate fully. With what authority can you sustain yourself? To what

extent can you prolong your life? You should realize that beingness is not

independent - it depends on something. When you investigate you will come to

the conclusion you the Absolute, do not depend on that beingness.

Q: If Atman is sat-chat-ananda {being-consciousness-bliss}, what is Paramatman.

M: Sat-chit-ananda will, in due course, become the Paramatman. Sat-chit-ananda

is "I Amness" and is itself a state of bliss, a state of love, but it is an

experiential state, so long as consciousness is there, and consciousness is

there so long as the body is available- it is a time -bound state. You must

transcend the sat-chti-ananda state.

Q: Should I stabilize in the beingness or should I flow with the thoughts?

M: If you stay put in beingness the thoughts will get less and less. If you

get mixed up with the thoughts they will multiple. Stay put in beingness only.

 

PARA: SUPREME, OTHER

 

 

 

 

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RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Maharaj: All that one does is for the continuance of the

consciousness, but for me there is nothing at all that I would like

to continue.

> You come here as individuals expecting to get something, that

is where the mistake arises. There is no individual , so how can I

do something for a non-existing individual? Your true nature is in

no way different from mine. This happening is just a happening which

has come and which will go.

> If one feels he has to urinate, he just has to urinate, it is

not something different for each one, it is a process of urination

which happens to everybody but you consider everything as something

happening to you as an individual.

> Q: How can I understand what Maharaj is saying?

> M: Discrimination is very necessary to understand what I am

saying. It is only after the arrival of consciousness that we try to

understand ourselves. Consciousness is the so-called birth; birth

means the three aspects; waking state, deep sleep and the knowledge "

I Am". Once I understand what this birth is, then the whole mystery

is solved. Since I have thoroughly known what this birth principal

is, I will know very well at that happening of the so-called death, I

shall observe the departure of the vital breath, the language and

the "I Amness"; there is no question of death.

> If I understand right now that my vital breath is quitting, I

am not going to arrest it, I am not going to say "You stop now, wait

for some time," because I know very well it is of no use retaining

this vital breath and life force.

> Any number of dissolutions have come and gone, but in my true,

eternal state I am untouched by them. Prior to this experiential

state I was perfect in every respect, with the arrival of this

beingness this imperfect state has started, and I am fed up with that.

> If you really want eternal peace, don't bother about anybody

else, worry about your own self, investigate only your own self.

> Who is going to give you eternal peace? If is only the sun,

that "I" Am." If you embrace that Self-effulgent sun everything else

will go, but you will prevail eternally.

> Investigate fully. With what authority can you sustain

yourself? To what extent can you prolong your life? You should

realize that beingness is not independent - it depends on something.

When you investigate you will come to the conclusion you the

Absolute, do not depend on that beingness.

> Q: If Atman is sat-chat-ananda {being-consciousness-bliss}, what

is Paramatman.

> M: Sat-chit-ananda will, in due course, become the Paramatman.

Sat-chit-ananda is "I Amness" and is itself a state of bliss, a state

of love, but it is an experiential state, so long as consciousness is

there, and consciousness is there so long as the body is available-

it is a time -bound state. You must transcend the sat-chti-ananda

state.

> Q: Should I stabilize in the beingness or should I flow with the

thoughts?

> M: If you stay put in beingness the thoughts will get less and

less. If you get mixed up with the thoughts they will multiple.

Stay put in beingness only.

>

> PARA: SUPREME, OTHER

 

Thanks soo much. That the slearest teching I've heard of Ramana'a

yet. Where is it from. So is he saying the I-I is to be trancended

also. Or like I is the Paramatman, and the second I is existence as

one(its true nature)

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