Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Q: When you become one with everybody's consciousness there is an emotional drain because you feel their sorrow and everything. It that a right state in which to be? Maharaj: It is one of the preliminary stages, but it is excellent. There is a still separateness but gradually it will ripen into complete oneness. Q: I don't feel any desire anymore to strive for anything in the world. M: There is nothing wrong it that. Your hunger and thirst for bliss or joy is absolutely fulfilled and therefore you stop going after things. Q: Is there still some individuality left to continue one's destiny? M: That individuality does not create any kind of discontent or fear. It so happens that there is no memory at all of that individual "I" it goes on acting on its own energy. There is a memory that this is the total manifestation but no memory of an individual acting. Q: I feel that I am one with consciousness but it wavers. M: You are not yet stabilized in consciousness; you are getting some glimpses. Being one with consciousness is going beyond these states of waking and sleeping. You know the sky, you know the space, but can you become one with the space? Not yet, it is not possible. When you become one with consciousness you become one with space. Q: Is there something which I can do to help me to grow, to progress? M: Consciousness does not undergo any progress. Even the space cannot have any progress and the space is number three. One is the Absolute, two is consciousness, three is space. "Where there was no knowledge "I Am," that is number one; later on there is a sense" I Am" that is number two; then there is space - number three. Passing the examination of the Upanishads, does it give you knowledge of the Self? Q: No. However it does something. M: In my case, everything is spontaneous - that is my dharma. If the knowledgeable people come and tell me I am foolish, I will say, " This foolishness is my richness, my freedom. That knowingness which has come over me, that itself is foolishness." You are a very gentle woman; if someone comes and abuses you thinking you are a man, you will get angry at this misunderstanding. To identify with anything, " I Am like this," is abuse of your nature. Q: How to loose this identification with the body? M: Increase the conviction that you are the formless consciousness. You develop your firm conviction that you are the total manifestation, universal consciousness. There is nobody who can have the knowledge of the Truth, the Eternal. It is one's true state, but it is not a knowledgeable state - you cannot know It. So-called knowledge is boundless and plenty in the state of attributes, "I Am". In this body is the knowledge "I Am". When the body drops down the knowledge "I Am" will survive there only - what remains is the Absolute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Namaste, That is who i thought it was anyway, Nisargadattah since I didn't know Maharaj was a title given to some people like him, so there was no confusion, except for that misconception, here. Namo Ramana Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Who is this a quote of? It doesn't sound like Bhagavan. Mark Q: When you become one with everybody's consciousness there is an emotional drain because you feel their sorrow and everything. It that a right state in which to be? Maharaj: It is one of the preliminary stages, but it is excellent. There is a still separateness but gradually it will ripen into complete oneness. Q: I don't feel any desire anymore to strive for anything in the world. M: There is nothing wrong it that. Your hunger and thirst for bliss or joy is absolutely fulfilled and therefore you stop going after things. Q: Is there still some individuality left to continue one's destiny? M: That individuality does not create any kind of discontent or fear. It so happens that there is no memory at all of that individual "I" it goes on acting on its own energy. There is a memory that this is the total manifestation but no memory of an individual acting. Q: I feel that I am one with consciousness but it wavers. M: You are not yet stabilized in consciousness; you are getting some glimpses. Being one with consciousness is going beyond these states of waking and sleeping. You know the sky, you know the space, but can you become one with the space? Not yet, it is not possible. When you become one with consciousness you become one with space. Q: Is there something which I can do to help me to grow, to progress? M: Consciousness does not undergo any progress. Even the space cannot have any progress and the space is number three. One is the Absolute, two is consciousness, three is space. "Where there was no knowledge "I Am," that is number one; later on there is a sense" I Am" that is number two; then there is space - number three. Passing the examination of the Upanishads, does it give you knowledge of the Self? Q: No. However it does something. M: In my case, everything is spontaneous - that is my dharma. If the knowledgeable people come and tell me I am foolish, I will say, " This foolishness is my richness, my freedom. That knowingness which has come over me, that itself is foolishness." You are a very gentle woman; if someone comes and abuses you thinking you are a man, you will get angry at this misunderstanding. To identify with anything, " I Am like this," is abuse of your nature. Q: How to loose this identification with the body? M: Increase the conviction that you are the formless consciousness. You develop your firm conviction that you are the total manifestation, universal consciousness. There is nobody who can have the knowledge of the Truth, the Eternal. It is one's true state, but it is not a knowledgeable state - you cannot know It. So-called knowledge is boundless and plenty in the state of attributes, "I Am". In this body is the knowledge "I Am". When the body drops down the knowledge "I Am" will survive there only - what remains is the Absolute. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Sorry again: I now realize that everyone does not know that "Prior" is the dialogues of Nisargadatta. Aloha, Alton > Mark > > > Q: When you become one with everybody's consciousness there is an > emotional drain because you feel their sorrow and everything. It that a > right state in which to be? > Maharaj: It is one of the preliminary stages, but it is excellent. There > is a still separateness but gradually it will ripen into complete oneness. > Q: I don't feel any desire anymore to strive for anything in the world. > M: There is nothing wrong it that. Your hunger and thirst for bliss or > joy is absolutely fulfilled and therefore you stop going after things. > Q: Is there still some individuality left to continue one's destiny? > M: That individuality does not create any kind of discontent or fear. It > so happens that there is no memory at all of that individual "I" it goes on > acting on its own energy. There is a memory that this is the total > manifestation but no memory of an individual acting. > Q: I feel that I am one with consciousness but it wavers. > M: You are not yet stabilized in consciousness; you are getting some > glimpses. Being one with consciousness is going beyond these states of > waking and sleeping. You know the sky, you know the space, but can you > become one with the space? Not yet, it is not possible. When you become one > with consciousness you become one with space. > Q: Is there something which I can do to help me to grow, to progress? > M: Consciousness does not undergo any progress. Even the space cannot have > any progress and the space is number three. > One is the Absolute, two is consciousness, three is space. "Where > there was no knowledge "I Am," that is number one; later on there is a > sense" I Am" that is number two; then there is space - number three. > Passing the examination of the Upanishads, does it give you knowledge of the > Self? > Q: No. However it does something. > M: In my case, everything is spontaneous - that is my dharma. If the > knowledgeable people come and tell me I am foolish, I will say, " This > foolishness is my richness, my freedom. That knowingness which has come > over me, that itself is foolishness." > You are a very gentle woman; if someone comes and abuses you thinking > you are a man, you will get angry at this misunderstanding. To identify > with anything, " I Am like this," is abuse of your nature. > Q: How to loose this identification with the body? > M: Increase the conviction that you are the formless consciousness. You > develop your firm conviction that you are the total manifestation, universal > consciousness. There is nobody who can have the knowledge of the Truth, the > Eternal. It is one's true state, but it is not a knowledgeable state - you > cannot know It. So-called knowledge is boundless and plenty in the state of > attributes, "I Am". > In this body is the knowledge "I Am". When the body drops down the > knowledge "I Am" will survive there only - what remains is the Absolute. > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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