"And the man breathes deeply....." -- Diary Netemara

[Guest guest]

>From Patanjalis "Light of the Soul"

"Through a knowledge of meditation which is the exemplification of

the basic yoga aphroism "energy follows thought" all the unfoldments

and developments which the aspirant desires are brought about.

Through meditation, the heart center, which in undeveloped man is

pictured as a closed lotus turned downwards, is reversed, turned

upwards and unfolded. At its heart is the light of love. The

radiance of this light, being turned upwards illumines the path of

God, but is not the path, except in the sense that as we tread upon

that which the heart desires (in a lower sense) that path leads us on

to the Path itself."

 

"Through perfectly concentrated meditation in the head: this carries

on automatically the increased stimulation and awakening of the

centers up the spine...arouses the sixth center, the one between the

eyebrows, and in time reveals to the aspirant, the exit at the top of

the head, which can be seen as a radiant circle of pure white

light."

 

***************

 

The man breathes deeply......from Diary Netemara

 

At times, I found myself being instructed in dreams on occult

breathing. While the mastery of the breath is essential to samadhi,

it is not attainable in any other way but in the one-to-one secret

transmission by the guru. Some, a few, have undertaken the path of

hatha yoga [as a means to enlightenment] and out of a very pure life

they practiced pranayama, and lucky if it did not kill them. In this

Age we are enjoined not to try to practice this ancient ritual. And

for good reasons. I will not go into the reasons, but I can state

with some knowledge that I was taught, or rather my breathing was

controlled for me by my higher self. I was like a simple bystander,

watching, so to speak, my body holding and controlling its own

breath. It was frightening at first, but when I realized that the

danger had been taken out of the experience, I was able to relax.

 

How will the student know that the is being guided in his breathing?

This question, that I am posing, reminds me of the times when I would

awaken and find my arms so tightly entwined, or wrapped around my

chest, as in the ancient Egyptian pose, that I would have to think of

how to unwrap my arms. And I would wonder aloud how did I get into

such a posture and remain there for the better part of the night. It

was actually that the kriyas and mudras took over and were performed

on my body without my knowledge, but with my consent and

participation on a higher level.

I will return to this central theme of meditation in my journals over

and over again: control of the airs, the vital airs. We will try to

demonstrate that sound and the sound current underlies all of life.

It activates all the centers, inner and outer airs, and brings them

together in the central vein. And upon reaching the island between

the eyebrows and the highest head center the bell sound appears and

will accompany the soul through the highest region to the home of the

Lord in Sat Lok.

There are many more dazzling things about a perfect guru than one can

ever express or experience. However, nothing dazzled my mind more

than his guidance on just this point of meditation in the present

age. Because after reading volumes on the subject for over 10 years

(prior to initiation in Sant Mat) and reading about the difficulty of

the breathing, postures, inner and outer purification (required) of

Hatha yoga, and the very rigors of beginning from the lower centers,

as Hatha yoga espouses, to be asked to believe that (under the Grace

of God) we could start from the eye center. I was told to forget all

that was read and tried to accomplish by past methods of past ages.

Modern man cannot endure this. So after years of believing that I

had to work through all the centers, I was relieved, but skeptical,

that such meditation both was possible and fruitful. But again this

was before I knew firsthand of the grace of the Guru.

 

It is my feeling that while books and book learning cannot either

replace experience or the presence of the guru that some small

purpose may be served in bringing together the different disciplines

on the one discipline: meditation. Synthesis is now possible as the

world's greatest religions, or rather before all the great religions'

followers are scattered by the four winds, culminating in a rapidly

unfolding, time-space ungluing wherein more light can be brought in

and enlightenment ushered in that much sooner to a suffering

mankind.

 

I will close this diary entry with a quote from Blavatsky:

HPB: "All creation travieth (works) in pain until the coming of the

Lords of the Shining Contenance appear." Secret Doctrines

 

 

Namaste

 

Netemara

[Guest guest]

hi Net, Ramanana initiated me on the inside; by his grace he is in my heart now.

Om namo Ramana-- and dear Alton was the messenger <simle>

 

I had a posting thread along these lines you mention here with Mark. From his

answer I thought, that at this forum the thought of the Amritnadi is, that it

STARTS at the heart and the realization is enterily different than any other. I

found this at Ramana's http://www.hinduism.org.za/rajayoga.htm

 

He (Ramana) accepted the existence of the Kundalini power and the Chakras but

he said that even if the Kundalini reached the Sahasrara it would not result in

realisation. For final realisation, he said, the Kundalini must go beyond the

Sahasrara, down another Nadi (psychic nerve) he called Amritnadi (also called

the Parnadi or Jivanadi) and into the Heart-centre on the right hand side of the

chest. Since he maintained that self-enquiry would automatically send the

Kundalini to the Heart-centre, he taught that separate yoga exercises were

unnecessary.

The Self is reached by the search for the origin of the ego and by diving into

the Heart. This is the direct method of Self-realisation. One who adopts it need

not worry about Nadis, the brain centre (Sahasrara), the Sushumna, the Paranadi,

the Kundalini, Pranayama or the six Chakras.

 

~all love Karta~

 

RamanaMaharshi, "netemara888" <netemara888> wrote:

>

>

>

> From Patanjalis "Light of the Soul"

> "Through a knowledge of meditation which is the exemplification of

> the basic yoga aphroism "energy follows thought" all the unfoldments

> and developments which the aspirant desires are brought about.

> Through meditation, the heart center, which in undeveloped man is

> pictured as a closed lotus turned downwards, is reversed, turned

> upwards and unfolded. At its heart is the light of love. The

> radiance of this light, being turned upwards illumines the path of

> God, but is not the path, except in the sense that as we tread upon

> that which the heart desires (in a lower sense) that path leads us on

> to the Path itself."

>

> "Through perfectly concentrated meditation in the head: this carries

> on automatically the increased stimulation and awakening of the

> centers up the spine...arouses the sixth center, the one between the

> eyebrows, and in time reveals to the aspirant, the exit at the top of

> the head, which can be seen as a radiant circle of pure white

> light."

>

> ***************

>

> The man breathes deeply......from Diary Netemara

>

> At times, I found myself being instructed in dreams on occult

> breathing. While the mastery of the breath is essential to samadhi,

> it is not attainable in any other way but in the one-to-one secret

> transmission by the guru. Some, a few, have undertaken the path of

> hatha yoga [as a means to enlightenment] and out of a very pure life

> they practiced pranayama, and lucky if it did not kill them. In this

> Age we are enjoined not to try to practice this ancient ritual. And

> for good reasons. I will not go into the reasons, but I can state

> with some knowledge that I was taught, or rather my breathing was

> controlled for me by my higher self. I was like a simple bystander,

> watching, so to speak, my body holding and controlling its own

> breath. It was frightening at first, but when I realized that the

> danger had been taken out of the experience, I was able to relax.

>

> How will the student know that the is being guided in his breathing?

> This question, that I am posing, reminds me of the times when I would

> awaken and find my arms so tightly entwined, or wrapped around my

> chest, as in the ancient Egyptian pose, that I would have to think of

> how to unwrap my arms. And I would wonder aloud how did I get into

> such a posture and remain there for the better part of the night. It

> was actually that the kriyas and mudras took over and were performed

> on my body without my knowledge, but with my consent and

> participation on a higher level.

> I will return to this central theme of meditation in my journals over

> and over again: control of the airs, the vital airs. We will try to

> demonstrate that sound and the sound current underlies all of life.

> It activates all the centers, inner and outer airs, and brings them

> together in the central vein. And upon reaching the island between

> the eyebrows and the highest head center the bell sound appears and

> will accompany the soul through the highest region to the home of the

> Lord in Sat Lok.

> There are many more dazzling things about a perfect guru than one can

> ever express or experience. However, nothing dazzled my mind more

> than his guidance on just this point of meditation in the present

> age. Because after reading volumes on the subject for over 10 years

> (prior to initiation in Sant Mat) and reading about the difficulty of

> the breathing, postures, inner and outer purification (required) of

> Hatha yoga, and the very rigors of beginning from the lower centers,

> as Hatha yoga espouses, to be asked to believe that (under the Grace

> of God) we could start from the eye center. I was told to forget all

> that was read and tried to accomplish by past methods of past ages.

> Modern man cannot endure this. So after years of believing that I

> had to work through all the centers, I was relieved, but skeptical,

> that such meditation both was possible and fruitful. But again this

> was before I knew firsthand of the grace of the Guru.

>

> It is my feeling that while books and book learning cannot either

> replace experience or the presence of the guru that some small

> purpose may be served in bringing together the different disciplines

> on the one discipline: meditation. Synthesis is now possible as the

> world's greatest religions, or rather before all the great religions'

> followers are scattered by the four winds, culminating in a rapidly

> unfolding, time-space ungluing wherein more light can be brought in

> and enlightenment ushered in that much sooner to a suffering

> mankind.

>

> I will close this diary entry with a quote from Blavatsky:

> HPB: "All creation travieth (works) in pain until the coming of the

> Lords of the Shining Contenance appear." Secret Doctrines

>

>

> Namaste

>

> Netemara

[Guest guest]

I am happy for you Karta. And thanks for the reference.

 

Net

 

************

 

-- In RamanaMaharshi, "satkartar5" <mi_nok> wrote:

> hi Net, Ramanana initiated me on the inside; by his grace he is in

my heart now. Om namo Ramana-- and dear Alton was the messenger

<simle>

>

> I had a posting thread along these lines you mention here with

Mark. From his answer I thought, that at this forum the thought of

the Amritnadi is, that it STARTS at the heart and the realization is

enterily different than any other. I found this at Ramana's

http://www.hinduism.org.za/rajayoga.htm

>

> He (Ramana) accepted the existence of the Kundalini power and the

Chakras but he said that even if the Kundalini reached the Sahasrara

it would not result in realisation. For final realisation, he said,

the Kundalini must go beyond the Sahasrara, down another Nadi

(psychic nerve) he called Amritnadi (also called the Parnadi or

Jivanadi) and into the Heart-centre on the right hand side of the

chest. Since he maintained that self-enquiry would automatically send

the Kundalini to the Heart-centre, he taught that separate yoga

exercises were unnecessary.

> The Self is reached by the search for the origin of the ego and by

diving into the Heart. This is the direct method of Self-realisation.

One who adopts it need not worry about Nadis, the brain centre

(Sahasrara), the Sushumna, the Paranadi, the Kundalini, Pranayama or

the six Chakras.

>

> ~all love Karta~

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "netemara888" <netemara888> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > From Patanjalis "Light of the Soul"

> > "Through a knowledge of meditation which is the exemplification

of

> > the basic yoga aphroism "energy follows thought" all the

unfoldments

> > and developments which the aspirant desires are brought about.

> > Through meditation, the heart center, which in undeveloped man is

> > pictured as a closed lotus turned downwards, is reversed, turned

> > upwards and unfolded. At its heart is the light of love. The

> > radiance of this light, being turned upwards illumines the path

of

> > God, but is not the path, except in the sense that as we tread

upon

> > that which the heart desires (in a lower sense) that path leads

us on

> > to the Path itself."

> >

> > "Through perfectly concentrated meditation in the head: this

carries

> > on automatically the increased stimulation and awakening of the

> > centers up the spine...arouses the sixth center, the one between

the

> > eyebrows, and in time reveals to the aspirant, the exit at the

top of

> > the head, which can be seen as a radiant circle of pure white

> > light."

> >

> > ***************

> >

> > The man breathes deeply......from Diary Netemara

> >

> > At times, I found myself being instructed in dreams on occult

> > breathing. While the mastery of the breath is essential to

samadhi,

> > it is not attainable in any other way but in the one-to-one

secret

> > transmission by the guru. Some, a few, have undertaken the path

of

> > hatha yoga [as a means to enlightenment] and out of a very pure

life

> > they practiced pranayama, and lucky if it did not kill them. In

this

> > Age we are enjoined not to try to practice this ancient ritual.

And

> > for good reasons. I will not go into the reasons, but I can state

> > with some knowledge that I was taught, or rather my breathing was

> > controlled for me by my higher self. I was like a simple

bystander,

> > watching, so to speak, my body holding and controlling its own

> > breath. It was frightening at first, but when I realized that the

> > danger had been taken out of the experience, I was able to relax.

> >

> > How will the student know that the is being guided in his

breathing?

> > This question, that I am posing, reminds me of the times when I

would

> > awaken and find my arms so tightly entwined, or wrapped around my

> > chest, as in the ancient Egyptian pose, that I would have to

think of

> > how to unwrap my arms. And I would wonder aloud how did I get

into

> > such a posture and remain there for the better part of the night.

It

> > was actually that the kriyas and mudras took over and were

performed

> > on my body without my knowledge, but with my consent and

> > participation on a higher level.

> > I will return to this central theme of meditation in my journals

over

> > and over again: control of the airs, the vital airs. We will try

to

> > demonstrate that sound and the sound current underlies all of

life.

> > It activates all the centers, inner and outer airs, and brings

them

> > together in the central vein. And upon reaching the island

between

> > the eyebrows and the highest head center the bell sound appears

and

> > will accompany the soul through the highest region to the home of

the

> > Lord in Sat Lok.

> > There are many more dazzling things about a perfect guru than one

can

> > ever express or experience. However, nothing dazzled my mind more

> > than his guidance on just this point of meditation in the present

> > age. Because after reading volumes on the subject for over 10

years

> > (prior to initiation in Sant Mat) and reading about the

difficulty of

> > the breathing, postures, inner and outer purification (required)

of

> > Hatha yoga, and the very rigors of beginning from the lower

centers,

> > as Hatha yoga espouses, to be asked to believe that (under the

Grace

> > of God) we could start from the eye center. I was told to forget

all

> > that was read and tried to accomplish by past methods of past

ages.

> > Modern man cannot endure this. So after years of believing that I

> > had to work through all the centers, I was relieved, but

skeptical,

> > that such meditation both was possible and fruitful. But again

this

> > was before I knew firsthand of the grace of the Guru.

> >

> > It is my feeling that while books and book learning cannot either

> > replace experience or the presence of the guru that some small

> > purpose may be served in bringing together the different

disciplines

> > on the one discipline: meditation. Synthesis is now possible as

the

> > world's greatest religions, or rather before all the great

religions'

> > followers are scattered by the four winds, culminating in a

rapidly

> > unfolding, time-space ungluing wherein more light can be brought

in

> > and enlightenment ushered in that much sooner to a suffering

> > mankind.

> >

> > I will close this diary entry with a quote from Blavatsky:

> > HPB: "All creation travieth (works) in pain until the coming of

the

> > Lords of the Shining Contenance appear." Secret Doctrines

> >

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Netemara

[Guest guest]

Karta:

 

You've come a long way. ;-)

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

hi Net, Ramanana initiated me on the inside; by his grace he is in my heart now.

Om

namo Ramana-- and dear Alton was the messenger <simle>

 

I had a posting thread along these lines you mention here with Mark. From his

answer

I thought, that at this forum the thought of the Amritnadi is, that it STARTS at

the

heart and the realization is enterily different than any other. I found this at

Ramana's http://www.hinduism.org.za/rajayoga.htm

 

He (Ramana) accepted the existence of the Kundalini power and the Chakras but he

said that even if the Kundalini reached the Sahasrara it would not result in

realisation. For final realisation, he said, the Kundalini must go beyond the

Sahasrara, down another Nadi (psychic nerve) he called Amritnadi (also called

the

Parnadi or Jivanadi) and into the Heart-centre on the right hand side of the

chest.

Since he maintained that self-enquiry would automatically send the Kundalini to

the

Heart-centre, he taught that separate yoga exercises were unnecessary.

The Self is reached by the search for the origin of the ego and by diving into

the

Heart. This is the direct method of Self-realisation. One who adopts it need not

worry about Nadis, the brain centre (Sahasrara), the Sushumna, the Paranadi, the

Kundalini, Pranayama or the six Chakras.

 

~all love Karta~

[Guest guest]

Karta:

 

I don't know anyone who is a member of a spiritual elite. I do recall quite

a bit of back and forth

explaining the basics of Ramana's teaching and encountering VERY strong

resistance. I believe it's

extremely important that Bhagavan's teaching be accurately represented and I

mean no personal affronts.

 

 

Mark

 

 

--well thank you Mark, coming from you, a spiritual elite, who practices

the highest of the the spiritual-paths and belongs the chosen group who

attained the unattainable; it is special compliment for me.

 

to who? --WHO AM I?

 

~just kiddin' love you Karta~

it is a goodthing that we are one <grin>