Talks... nada/sound

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303. Mr. K. R. V. Iyer sought more light on nada (sound).

 

Maharshi: He who meditates on it feels it. There are ten kinds of nadas.

After the final thundering nada the man gets laya. That is his natural and

eternal state. Nada, jyoti, or enquiry thus take one to the same point. (The

former are indirect and the last is direct).

 

D: The mind becomes peaceful for a short while and again emerges forth.

What is to be done?

 

Maharshi: The peace often gained must be remembered at other times. That

peace is your natural and permanent state. By continuous practice it will

become natural. That is called the 'current'. That is your true nature.

 

Nada, photisms, etc., imply the existence of triputi (the triads of

cogniser, cognition and the cognised). The current resulting from

investigation of the Self is suddha triputi or pure triad, -- that is to

say, undifferentiated triad.

 

148. ...Nada helps concentration. After it is felt the practice should not

be made an end in itself. Nada is not the objective; the subject should

firmly be held; otherwise a blank will result. Though the subject is there

even in the blank he would not be aware of the cessation of nada of

different kinds. In order to be aware even in that blank one must remember

his own self. Nada upasana (meditation on sound) is good; it is better if

associated with investigation (vichara). In that case the nada is made up of

chinmaya and also tanmaya (of Knowledge and of Self). Nada helps

concentration.

 

(Ramana Maharshi)

[Guest guest]

Thank you Miles. Between you and Richard I know I am in the right

place to continue my journey. It is only recently that I realized

through Self inquiry, I did not know that it was called that, I came

to the realization that the sounds were signposts and part of duality

and illusion. And most of all that they were strictly a tool. So, I

spent many years thinking that they were some sort of goal rather

than pointing the way, tools.

 

Please post anything you find about nada/sounds would be anxious to

read it. I will be away for rest of July, beginning Wednesday, will

check in as I can.

 

Thank you

 

Net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote:

> 303. Mr. K. R. V. Iyer sought more light on nada (sound).

>

> Maharshi: He who meditates on it feels it. There are ten kinds of

nadas.

> After the final thundering nada the man gets laya. That is his

natural and

> eternal state. Nada, jyoti, or enquiry thus take one to the same

point. (The

> former are indirect and the last is direct).

>

> D: The mind becomes peaceful for a short while and again emerges

forth.

> What is to be done?

>

> Maharshi: The peace often gained must be remembered at other

times. That

> peace is your natural and permanent state. By continuous practice

it will

> become natural. That is called the 'current'. That is your true

nature.

>

> Nada, photisms, etc., imply the existence of triputi (the triads of

> cogniser, cognition and the cognised). The current resulting from

> investigation of the Self is suddha triputi or pure triad, -- that

is to

> say, undifferentiated triad.

>

> 148. ...Nada helps concentration. After it is felt the practice

should not

> be made an end in itself. Nada is not the objective; the subject

should

> firmly be held; otherwise a blank will result. Though the subject

is there

> even in the blank he would not be aware of the cessation of nada of

> different kinds. In order to be aware even in that blank one must

remember

> his own self. Nada upasana (meditation on sound) is good; it is

better if

> associated with investigation (vichara). In that case the nada is

made up of

> chinmaya and also tanmaya (of Knowledge and of Self). Nada helps

> concentration.

>

> (Ramana Maharshi)

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Buddha and the Naam. Manjuri's Summation The Diamond Samadhi.

<snip> after meditation..

Nothwithstanding Ananda's

wonderful memory, he was not able to avoid falling into evil ways. He has been

adrift on a merciless sea. But if he will only turn his mind away from the

drifting current of thoughts, he may

soon recover the sober wiseness of Essential Mind. Ananda! Listen to me! I have

ever relied upon the teaching of the Lord Buddha to bring me to the

Indescribable Dharma

 

Sound of the Diamond Samadhi. Ananda! You have sought the secret lore from all

the Buddha-lands without first attaining emancipation from the desires and

intoxications of your own contaminations

and attachments, with the result that you have stored in your memory a vast

accumulation of worldly knowledge and built up a tower of faults and mistakes.

You have learned the Teachings by

listening to the words of the Lord Buddha and then committing them to memory.

Why do you not learn from your own self by listening to Sound of the Intrinsic

Dharma within your mind and then practicing reflection upon

it? The perception of Transcendental

Hearing is not developed by any natural process under the control of your own

volition. Sometimes when you are reflecting upon your Transcendental Hearing a

chance sound suddenly claims your attention and

your mind sets it apart and discriminates

it and is disturbed thereby.As soon as

you can ignore the phenomenal sound, the notion of Transcendental Sound ceases

and

you will realize your Intrinsic Hearing.

As soon as this one sense

perception of hearing is returned to its originality

and you clearly understand its falsity,

then the mind instantly understands the falsity of all sense perceptions and is

at once emancipated from the bondage of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting,

touching and thinking, for they are all

alike illusive and delusive visions of unreality and all the three great realms

of existence are seen to be what they truly are, imaginary blossoms in the air.

As soon as the deceiving

perception of hearing is emancipated, then all objective phenomena disappears

and your Intuitive Mind-Essence becomes perfectly pure. As

soon as you have attained to this Supreme Purity of Mind-Essence, its Intrinsic

Brightness will shine out spontaneously

and in all directions and, as soon as you

are sitting in tranquil Dhyana, the mind

will be in perfect conformity with Pure Space.

 

Ananda! As soon as you return to

the phenomenal world, it will seem like a

vision in a dream. And your experience with the maiden Pchiti will seem like a

dream,

and your own body will lose its solidity

and permanency. It will seem as though

every human being, male and female, was simply a manifestation by some skillful

magician of a manikin all of whose

activities were under his control. Or each human being will seem like an

automatic machine that once started goes on by itself,

but as soon as the automatic machine loses its motive power, all its activities

not

only cease, but their very existence disappears.

Great Assembly, and you too,

Annnda, should reverse your outward perception of hearing and listen inwardly

for the perfectly

unified and intrinsic sound of your own Mind-Essence, for as soon as you have

attained perfect accommodation, you will

have attained to Supreme Enlightenment.

This is the only way to Nirvana,

and it

has been followed by all the Tathagatas

of the past. Moreover, it is for all the Bodhisattva- Mahasattvas of the

present

and for all in the future if they are to

hope for perfect Enlightenment. Not only

did Avalokiteshvara attain perfect Enlightenment in long ages past by this

Golden Way, but in the present, I also am

one of them.

My Lord enquired of us as to which

expedient means each one of us had employed to follow this Noble Path to

Nirvana.

 

I bear testimony that the means employed

by Avalokiteshvara is the most expedient means for all, since all other means

must

be supported and guided by the Lord

Buddha's Transcendental Powers. Though one forsake all his worldly engagements,

yet

he cannot always be practicing by these various means; they are especial means

suitable for junior and senior disciples,

but for laymen, this common method of concentrating the mind on the sense of

hearing, turning it inward by this Door

of Dharma to hear the Transcendental

Sound of this Essential Mind, is most feasible and wise.

 

O Blessed Lord! I am bowing down

before my Lord Tathagata's Intrinsic Womb, which is immaculate and ineffable in

its perfect freedom from all contaminations and taints,

and am praying my Lord to extend his boundless compassion for the sake of all

future disciples, so that I may continue

to teach Ananda and all sentient beings of the present kalpa, to have faith in

this wonderful Door of Dharma to the Intrinsic Hearing of his own Mind-Essence,

so surely

to be attained by this most expedient

means. If any disciple should take this Intuitive Means for concentrating his

mind in Dhyana

Practice on this organ of

Transcendental Hearing, all other sense organs would soon come into perfect

harmony with it and thus

by this single means of Intrinsic Hearing,

he would attain perfect

accommodation of

his True and Essential Mind.

Then Ananda and all the great

assembly were purified in body and mind.

They acquired a profound understanding

and a clear insight into the nature of the Lord Buddha's Enlightenment and

experience of Highest Samadhi. They had confidence like a man

who was about to set forth on a most important business to a far off country,

because they knew the route to go and

return. All the disciples in this great assembly realized their own Essence of

Mind and proposed henceforth to live

remote from all worldly entanglements

and taints, and to live continuously in

the pure brightness of the Eye of Dharma.

 

~Karta~

 

> his own self. Nada upasana (meditation on sound) is good; it is better if=

>

> associated with investigation (vichara). In that case the nada is made up=

of

> chinmaya and also tanmaya (of Knowledge and of Self). Nada helps

> concentration.

>

> (Ramana Maharshi)