Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Alton, as I understand you have a technical approach to vichara. It is for you something like a reprogramming concept? The computer doesn't work right, so write a new program, put it in and all is done? Effort and meditation is reprogramming? Nothing else is needed, only the right program? If we would be computers I would agree. I have too less knowledge of Nisargadatta's teaching so I feel not fit to comment his "you can do anything with training" etc. I would like to know the whole context in which this statements are. And perhaps even this would not be enough as one has to study the whole teaching more closely. It can lead to the wrong conclusion to isolate a sentence. About the "no effort faction": effort and no-effort belong together. They are the two sides of the same coin. This has to do with grace. Without grace nothing will happen. Because of this all technics and programs can only lead to the door - not further. Then you have to give up all technics, programs and concepts. Here you are helpless and can't do anything. That is when the inner guru draws you within. So bakti in the right sense is absolutely necessary. Bhakti is nothing else than devotion to the true Self. Ramana explains, that the Self out of Grace manifests itself as the outer Guru. The outer Guru pushes the disciple within and the inner Guru draws him in from within. As long as we see ourselves as bodies we also see the outer Guru as a body. Worship to the outer Guru is not counter productive. It leads to inner worship, to devotion to the Self. In HIM Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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