to Alton II attn. Gabriele

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Dear Gabriele:

With your sage answers you now have the knowledge status of Miles and

Richard.

Great job.

Love,

Alton

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote:

> Dear Alton,

> as I understand you have a technical approach to vichara. It is for

you something

> like a reprogramming concept? The computer doesn't work right, so

write a new program, put it in

> and all is done? Effort and meditation is reprogramming? Nothing

else is needed, only the right program?

> If we would be computers I would agree.

>

> I have too less knowledge of Nisargadatta's teaching so I feel not

fit to comment his "you can do anything

> with training" etc. I would like to know the whole context in which

this statements are. And perhaps even

> this would not be enough as one has to study the whole teaching

more closely. It can lead to the wrong

> conclusion to isolate a sentence.

>

> About the "no effort faction": effort and no-effort belong

together. They are the two sides of the same coin.

> This has to do with grace. Without grace nothing will happen.

> Because of this all technics and programs can only lead to the

door - not further. Then you have to give

> up all technics, programs and concepts. Here you are helpless and

can't do anything. That is when the inner guru

> draws you within.

>

> So bakti in the right sense is absolutely necessary. Bhakti is

nothing else than devotion to the true Self.

> Ramana explains, that the Self out of Grace manifests itself as the

outer Guru. The outer Guru pushes the

> disciple within and the inner Guru draws him in from within. As

long as we see ourselves as bodies we also see the

> outer Guru as a body. Worship to the outer Guru is not counter

productive. It leads to inner worship, to devotion

> to the Self.

>

> In HIM

> Gabriele

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