Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 It is just a case of 0's and 1's. and its combinations. There are mind moments of placing the attention on the attention between the thoughts. There are mind moments of placing the attention on the discursive thinking and getting identified with those thoughts. There are mind moments of witnessing. Unfortunately most of our mind moments are in the discursive talking to ourselves mode. Done with total devotion to either mindfulness or Self Inquiry placing the attention on the attention mind moments, we can free ourselves from our corrupted psyches. That is my view in a nut shell. This trip has absolutely nothing to do with spirituality or worshiping God. It is pure and simple just reprogramming. People create devotion to God and Guru out of fear and begging. What follows is creating enemies, as my God is the only way and yours is evil. Just look at the history of the world and see how much killing was and is done in the name of God. This whole spiritual trip is only reprogramming. Aloha, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Alton, I have a tendency to agree with this 're-programming' approach - the only thing that makes me doubt it is that it doesn't explain why Sri Ramana was devoted to Arunachala, wrote hymns in praise of Arunachala and specifically said that a power had drawn him there. I don't claim to understand why a power would be located in a mountain but that's what he said. Also, re. the discussion about Who am I ?, I Am, and the possibility that self-realization is a form of self hypnosis. I would say that 'Who Am I' was not Sri Ramana's favoured method of meditation. As I understand it, his preferred 'method' was Silence. 'Who am I' was merely a method for those who find silence impossible. In total Silence I don't think self hypnosis is possible, as there would be no concept of a self. Vic >"I-I" <leenalton >RamanaMaharshi >"SELF-REALIZATION" <self_realization_dialogues> >CC: "Ramana group" <RamanaMaharshi> >[RamanaMaharshi] The spiritual trip is just Programing.. >Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:07:46 -1000 > >It is just a case of 0's and 1's. and its combinations. There are mind >moments of placing the attention on the attention between the thoughts. >There are mind moments of placing the attention on the discursive thinking >and getting identified with those thoughts. There are mind moments of >witnessing. Unfortunately most of our mind moments are in the discursive >talking to ourselves mode. Done with total devotion to either mindfulness >or Self Inquiry placing the attention on the attention mind moments, we can >free ourselves from our corrupted psyches. >That is my view in a nut shell. This trip has absolutely nothing to do >with spirituality or worshiping God. It is pure and simple just >reprogramming. > >People create devotion to God and Guru out of fear and begging. What >follows is creating enemies, as my God is the only way and yours is evil. >Just look at the history of the world and see how much killing was and is >done in the name of God. This whole spiritual trip is only reprogramming. >Aloha, >Alton > > > > _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Alton, you may see the spiritual trip as re-programming or how you like. I know you give all effort in it, so it doesn't matter how you see it: as re-programming and not spiritual or as ... The view may change - the truth in a nutshell is always the same. Each give what he/she can in the present moment. That is all what is required. Grace is always there - if you are aware of it or not. Being able to put in effort is also Grace. No effort is in vain. True devotion is no creation but happens when you become aware of this immense Grace of the Sadguru/Self/God. True devotion is not because of fear and not because there is a desire God/the Guru should fulfill, but being overwhelmed by Grace. So true devotion never leads to any kind of creating enemies - what creates enemies has nothing to do with true devotion. In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > It is just a case of 0's and 1's. and its combinations. There are mind moments of placing the attention on the attention between the thoughts. There are mind moments of placing the attention on the discursive thinking and getting identified with those thoughts. There are mind moments of witnessing. Unfortunately most of our mind moments are in the discursive talking to ourselves mode. Done with total devotion to either mindfulness or Self Inquiry placing the attention on the attention mind moments, we can free ourselves from our corrupted psyches. > That is my view in a nut shell. This trip has absolutely nothing to do with spirituality or worshiping God. It is pure and simple just reprogramming. > > People create devotion to God and Guru out of fear and begging. What follows is creating enemies, as my God is the only way and yours is evil. Just look at the history of the world and see how much killing was and is done in the name of God. This whole spiritual trip is only reprogramming. > Aloha, > Alton > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Gabriele, I love your expression of Grace and true Devotion. Certainly one starts to know that Grace that has been given, and this knowing opens the heart. And the open heart is a wonderful aide to practice, and to listening to(or reading) the words of the teacher. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear Alton, > you may see the spiritual trip as re-programming or how you like. I > know you give all effort in it, so it doesn't matter how you see it: > as re-programming and not spiritual or as ... The view may change - > the truth in a nutshell is always the same. Each give what he/she can > in the present moment. That is all what is required. Grace is always > there - if you are aware of it or not. Being able to put in effort is > also Grace. No effort is in vain. > > True devotion is no creation but happens when you become aware of > this immense Grace of the Sadguru/Self/God. True devotion is not > because of fear and not because there is a desire God/the Guru should > fulfill, but being overwhelmed by Grace. So true devotion never > leads to any kind of creating enemies - what creates enemies has > nothing to do with true devotion. > In HIM > Gabriele > > RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > It is just a case of 0's and 1's. and its combinations. There are > mind moments of placing the attention on the attention between the > thoughts. There are mind moments of placing the attention on the > discursive thinking and getting identified with those thoughts. There > are mind moments of witnessing. Unfortunately most of our mind > moments are in the discursive talking to ourselves mode. Done with > total devotion to either mindfulness or Self Inquiry placing the > attention on the attention mind moments, we can free ourselves from > our corrupted psyches. > > That is my view in a nut shell. This trip has absolutely nothing > to do with spirituality or worshiping God. It is pure and simple just > reprogramming. > > > > People create devotion to God and Guru out of fear and begging. > What follows is creating enemies, as my God is the only way and yours > is evil. Just look at the history of the world and see how much > killing was and is done in the name of God. This whole spiritual trip > is only reprogramming. > > Aloha, > > Alton > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Dear Richard, yes, as you say. Grace opens the heart and makes it ready to receive the teaching of the Guru. Only here in the heart understanding happens. In Zen it is said: heart to heart. The teaching seems to come from without - but then it is found to be already there. In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "richard_clarke95125" <rclarke@1...> wrote: > Dear Gabriele, > > I love your expression of Grace and true Devotion. > > Certainly one starts to know that Grace that has been given, and this > knowing opens the heart. And the open heart is a wonderful aide to > practice, and to listening to(or reading) the words of the teacher. > > We are Not two, > Richard > have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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