Nisargadatta.. Both dreams are consciousness

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Q: Can we understand our real nature throught consciousness? Can we grasp it?

M: Is there any other instrument through which you can understand your true

nature? Whatever is can be preserved by all, is perceived by all. Who wants to

grasp it? You, as a separate entity, want to know That which is, as the

Absolute. It can't be done, because you are the Absolute.

Where does the one who attained samadhi go? the seeker himself has

disappeared.

Q: If the seeker is a concept, the the Guru is also a concept.

M: Yes, but that Guru is the support for all seeking. So long as there is word

there is seeker; when the word vanishes, there is nothing.

I have experienced all four kinds of speech and transcended them. Rarely

will anbody follow this hierachy to stabilize in the consciousness and transcend

consciousness. Starting from vaikhara {word} normally we listen to words; from

vaikare we go to madhyama {mind-thought}; in watching the mind we are in

pashayanti where the concept formation takes place and from there to Para {I

Am-without words}, and finally from Para to prior to consciousness. This is the

line to follow, but only a rare one follows it - receding, reversing.

Q: Is deep sleep and the state prior to the "I Am" one and the same?

M: As a concept it is the same thing; until you become That, then there will be

no one to know. Not only that , but whatever actions are done- whether through

you or me - are originally done within that state of deep sleep. In sleep you

dream; this being-awake state is the primary dream; the dream in the sleeping

state is the secondary dream - it is the transformation of the primary dream.

In this state of consciousness, in the primary dream, the entire universe is

created and when it is realized that it is a dream - then you are awake. Both

dreams are consciousness.

Q: Then the actor cannot know that he is dreaming?

M: That is exactly the beauty of maya, the whole heart of it. Understand that

the basis of whatever dream it is, is consciousness.