Nisargadatta: What ever happens, happens spontaneously.

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>From Consciousness and the Absolute..editor Jean Dunn

 

 

 

January 7, 1981

 

 

 

Q: Every time something happens now, instead of getting involved in it, I am

seeing that everything is that "I Amness". I am experiencing that.

 

 

 

Maharaj: Witnessing takes place, there in nothing to be done. It is total

freedom for one who does not identify with the body.

 

 

 

Q: Everything is happening on its own and I have not concern with it.

 

 

 

M: If that is so, it means that you have understood everything and there is no

need for you to linger here any longer.

 

 

 

Questioner {another person}: It is different for me. I have to make and effort

not to get involved in thoughts when I meditate.

 

 

 

M: It is the nature of the life force to express itself through thoughts and

words, so they will keep on coming. If you have to make an effort in the

beginning not to get involved, make that effort until it becomes effortless.

 

 

 

Q: Does the jnani have a mind and thoughts also?

 

 

 

M: Although thoughts come and go, the jnani is not concerned. Thoughts will

come in consciousness; witnessing also takes place in consciousness. You must

have the conviction that you are consciousness. Therefore this is nothing for

you to do; leave it to the consciousness to do what is to be done. What ever

happens, spontaneously.

 

 

 

Q: Where is the seat of consciousness?

 

 

 

M: In every particle of the juice of the body. In the scriptural books it is

normally given that there are various chakras. Those are available if you want

to locate them like that, but according to me, it is throughout the body.

 

 

 

Q: What is the difference between the body and consciousness?

 

 

 

M: What is the difference between sugar and sweetness? The sweetness Is there

in the sugar cane juice. In the body the sweetness is the knowledge you are,

the consciousness. This knowingness is due to what? What is the prerequisite

for consciousness?

 

 

 

Q: Is it the body?

 

 

 

M: The body is necessary to sustain consciousness; for the body to be, food is

necessary, is it not?

 

 

 

Q: Yes.

 

 

 

M: If the body does not remain, consciousness will not remain. In the absence

of body and consciousness, what are you?

 

 

 

Q: I don't know.

 

 

 

M: Now you want to get some benefit, some advantage, for yourself. To whom is

the benefit?

 

 

 

Q: Consciousness.

 

 

 

M: If you are not the body or the consciousness, then what are you? When you

realize the Self-Knowledge, then the self is released, liberated.

 

 

 

Q: Then what?

 

 

 

M: Then you know, definitely, who you are. That by which you know, you know

that, also.

 

 

 

Q: Is that liberation?

 

 

 

M: Liberation means what? It is no more there. {Flicking his cigarette lighter

on and off} This cigarette lighter is the body; the consciousness is the flame.

Now it isn't here anymore; it is liberated. Where is the need to label it in the

absence of consciousness?