Digest Number 645

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Dear Gabriele

 

Bhagavan used to characterize Manolaya as temporary blankness of the mind

(or absence of thought) from which the mind will always emerge. I remember

reading somewhere that bhagavan has asked seekers "Do not stop there. Go

beyond. Find out for whom is the manolaya". Bhagavan has said that manonasa

(complete destruction of the mind) is the goal and not any temporary

stilling of thoughts. In verse 13 of Upadsea Saram bhagavan says:

 

"Laya-Vinaashane ubhaya-rodhane

laya-gatham punar-bhavathi no mrtam"

 

"Absorption is of two sorts: submergence and destruction. Mind submerged

rises again; dead it revives no more."

 

As regards Nirvikalpa Samadhi, please refer to talks no. 187 and 391 in

"Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi". They are very good.

 

In Sri Bhagavan

 

Swami

 

 

>Message: 2

> Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:05:32 -0000

> "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert

>a question: manolaya and nirvikalpa samandhi

>

>Dear All,

>is there a difference between the manolaya state and nirvikalpa

>samadhi and what is it?

>

>This answer of Ramana is of great importance. I have observed in my

>own practice the tendency to let the inquiry go as soon as the mind

>is silent and relax in this experience, but somehow not fully

>satisfied and with the impression to get stuck. So this here is a

>very important point. Ramana says clearly to keep on the inquiry then

>and drive the mind deeper until it merges in the Self.

>

>But what is the difference to nirvikalpa samadhi? That's not in full

>clear to me. Ramana was also for long streches not aware of the body -

> but his mind never arose after his death-experience, so nirvikalpa

>must be the final merger of the mind in the Self without body

>awareness, whereas manolaya is only a kind of trance which has to be

>overcome? Can someone say something about this?

>

>In HIM

>Gabriele

>

>

 

 

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