Krishna's consciousness and donkey consciousness the same

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta from Consciousness and the Absolute

January 12, 1981

 

 

 

M: {Referring to his lighter} The flame will last as long as the fuel is there.

Is there any question of emancipation or awakening for that flame? The body and

consciousness, which come into being because of the five elements, can there be

any emancipation for them?

 

The one who is prior to the appearance of the elements is always there.

 

 

 

What you are doing is using you mind and intellect, but what I say is not based

on the intellect, but rather on whatever comes up spontaneously in

consciousness. You try to fix that knowledge which springs spontaneously from

consciousness into the structure of concepts you have built out of the mind and

intellect. This can never happen.

 

 

 

Q: Why do I feel such satisfaction here in Maharaj's presence?

 

 

 

M: Because that need which arises in consciousness and brings you here is

satisfied.

 

Some people come here for knowledge. I talk because the words naturally come

out. There is no intention behind my talks that you should get knowledge. Others

come here because they are in difficulties. I make no determination that those

difficulties should go away, but the fact remains that in many cases they do go

away. I merely sit here, people come and go, I am not concerned.

 

They come here from long distances because the consciousness feels the need to

come here. The individual doesn't come here because of an intellectual decision

to come here. Consciousness takes him by the ear and brings him here. My

next-door neighbors don't come but people from all corners of the world come

here with a sense of urgency. Why?

 

 

 

Q: The first time I came here, Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a food

product, and that Lord Krishna's consciousness was

 

the same as a donkey's consciousness. I tried to get a reservation out of

Bombay that day, but I couldn't get one for a week, and I had to stay.

 

 

 

M: Many talented and well-known people have come here, but they come with great

humility. Is there anyone of them who has knowledge about himself?

 

 

 

Q: I am practicing nama-japa, is that all right?

 

 

 

M: Recite the sacred name, that is all right, but the important thing is to

recognize and understand what is the presiding principle by which you know you

are and by which you perceive everything else. You must look at yourself, get to

know yourself. The riddle of spirituality cannot be solved by your intellect.

At the most, your intellect can provide you with livelihood.

 

 

 

Whatever you try to become, that is not you. Before the words come out, before

you say, "I AM", that is you. You must be concerned only with yourself. Don't

worry about anybody else. What are you?

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-can someone explain this to me pease, is this to be taken verbatim?:

 

"Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a food product, and that Lord Krishna's

consciousness was the same as a donkey's consciousness."

 

~k~

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta from Consciousness and the Absolute

> January 12, 1981

> Q: The first time I came here, Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a food

product, and that Lord Krishna's consciousness was

>

> the same as a donkey's consciousness. I tried to get a reservation out of

Bombay that day, but I couldn't get one for a week, and I had to stay.

---------

>

>

> Whatever you try to become, that is not you. Before the words come out, before

you say, "I AM", that is you. You must be concerned only with yourself. Don't

worry about anybody else. What are you?

[Guest guest]

Dear Karta,

 

I am not familar with Maharaj, so these answers are just tentitive.

To really know what a Sage is saying, one needs to be steeped in that

particular's sages teaching and language use.

 

I think the first part of Maharaj's comment comes from the idea of

the "five sheaths," where one name for the first sheath is the "Food

body."

 

Perhaps the second part is a statement of nonduality. Certainly if

he is speaking at the deepest level, there is only Consciousness, so

how can Krishna's (or Shiva's, for that matter) Consciousness be any

different from the donkey? (Or, to use a zen story ... A master was

asked, "what is Buddha? He answered, "Three pounds of flax."

 

We are Not two,

Richard

 

RamanaMaharshi, "satkartar5" <mi_nok> wrote:

> -can someone explain this to me pease, is this to be taken

verbatim?:

>

> "Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a food product, and that

Lord Krishna's consciousness was the same as a donkey's

consciousness."

>

> ~k~

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta from Consciousness and the Absolute

> > January 12, 1981

> > Q: The first time I came here, Maharaj told me that my "I Amness"

was a food product, and that Lord Krishna's consciousness was

> >

> > the same as a donkey's consciousness. I tried to get a

reservation out of Bombay that day, but I couldn't get one for a

week, and I had to stay.

> ---------

> >

> >

> > Whatever you try to become, that is not you. Before the words

come out, before you say, "I AM", that is you. You must be concerned

only with yourself. Don't worry about anybody else. What are you?

[Guest guest]

Consciousness is universal and singular. There is only one, not many.

Bhagavan indicated

that all inanimate objects are also manifestations of this singular

consciousness. When someone

asked Bhagavan about life, bhagavan indicated that even the stone the

questioner was sitting on had

life.

 

In yogic tradition, an entity is said to be composed of 5 sheaths or

"koshas" that begin with the

food sheath. I don't recall all of them at this point but another is the

"mind" and the most central

is the "causal."

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-can someone explain this to me pease, is this to be taken verbatim?:

 

"Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a food product, and that Lord

Krishna's consciousness was the same as a donkey's consciousness."

 

~k~

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta from Consciousness and the Absolute

> January 12, 1981

> Q: The first time I came here, Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a

food product, and that Lord Krishna's consciousness was

>

> the same as a donkey's consciousness. I tried to get a reservation out of

Bombay that day, but I couldn't get one for a week, and I had to stay.

---------

>

>

> Whatever you try to become, that is not you. Before the words come out,

before you say, "I AM", that is you. You must be concerned only with

yourself. Don't worry about anybody else. What are you?

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

thank you Richard and Mark for the clarification; this is one my present problem

because to stay vegan is against my heath.

 

--Mark what do you mean by "central"? -is

it the hardest to realize? Kirpal

explains all the karmas in the book The

Crown of Life; he mentiones a karma one

is borne with...

 

~all love Karta~

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Mark" <milarepa@a...> wrote:

> Consciousness is universal and singular. There is only one, not many.

> Bhagavan indicated

> that all inanimate objects are also manifestations of this singular

> consciousness. When someone

> asked Bhagavan about life, bhagavan indicated that even the stone the

> questioner was sitting on had

> life.

>

> In yogic tradition, an entity is said to be composed of 5 sheaths or

> "koshas" that begin with the

> food sheath. I don't recall all of them at this point but another is the

> "mind" and the most central

> is the "causal."

>

> Mark

>

-can someone explain this to me pease, is this to be taken verbatim?:

>

> "Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a food product, and that Lord

> Krishna's consciousness was the same as a donkey's consciousness."

>

> ~k~

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta from Consciousness and the Absolute

> > January 12, 1981

> > Q: The first time I came here, Maharaj told me that my "I Amness" was a

> food product, and that Lord Krishna's consciousness was

> >

> > the same as a donkey's consciousness. I tried to get a reservation out of

> Bombay that day, but I couldn't get one for a week, and I had to stay.

> ---------

> >

> >

> > Whatever you try to become, that is not you. Before the words come out,

> before you say, "I AM", that is you. You must be concerned only with

> yourself. Don't worry about anybody else. What are you?

[Guest guest]

Karta:

 

By central I mean the most subtle. The causal body or sheath is said to

be prior to mind and body. The koshas can be visualized as layers of an

onion and the causal would be the central core.

Of course, this is like describing a toe because it's a construction that arises

on the base of consciousness and isn't something to seek. It's simply the

description of the construction of the subtle aspects of a human body which,

as Bhagavan teaches, is an intert mass that is animated by consciousness.

 

Mark

 

 

 

thank you Richard and Mark for the clarification; this is one my present problem

because to stay vegan is against my heath.

 

--Mark what do you mean by "central"? -is

it the hardest to realize? Kirpal

explains all the karmas in the book The

Crown of Life; he mentiones a karma one

is borne with...

 

~all love Karta~