RE: Egoless scoiety

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Actually, Bhagavan said that there are four states with the fourth state,

turyatita, being

the enlightened state prior to Waking, sleeping and dreaming. Each of these

three states

are transitory and thus illusory and they appear as projections.

 

These people haven't transcended the ego, they've simply developed a

facility with the

dream state, this isn't a difficult thing to do. They seem to have a

benevolent society

which certainly is remarkable but they haven't transcended the illusion of

being separate

entities. Ego transcendence means total, utter, and absolute transcendence

of the illusion

of being a separate entity. It's not a matter of having a benign culture

although this could

be a side effect.

 

Of course, we certainly could learn better cultural practices from them!

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I am right Ramana Maharishi says there are three states,

Wakefulness, Dream, Sleep. He has suggested that if we realize that

the I- ness in the wakeful state is as false as the I -ness in the

Dream State we are getting somewhere. (Hope my understanding is

right)

 

If the above is true here is an amazing finding about Temiar race

that live in the Jungles of Malaysia.

They considered the dream state as true as the wakeful state and see

what they achieved. Rest is as quoted verbatim from " Noone of the

Ulu " an Anthropological study. The study is set in 1931.

 

My question is that in their own way did these people reign the Ego

as a society to some extent?

 

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According to Stewart the secret of the emotional adjustment of the

temiar is a psychological technique they stumbled on probable many

centuries ago, it is associated with their dreams, and was developed

to provide a type of dream action to conform with their religious

beliefs.

 

No racial group has been described in anthropological literature in

which the dream and trance play so great a role as in the daily lives

of the people as they do among the temiar. To them dream is a

mystical experience which occurs when one of the persons souls (yes

plural) leaves the body during sleep and wanders about the jungle in

search of guidance. Therefore important decision are seldom made by

a group without one of its members having had a dream that

prescribes a certain course of action.

 

Most Temiar inspiration comes from dreams. Pat met men who had

dreamed mechanical inventions such as fish traps, complicated

puzzles, decorative patterns and medial remedies. All their epic

poetry, all their dances, all their rhythms, all their songs are

dream inspired.

 

Temiar insulated form the world in their inaccessible Shangri-La have

discovered an educative process which has made it possible for the

entire race to live their kindly philosophy.

 

Temiar children, like children all over the world, are naughty,

selfish, greedy and aggressive. Yet they develop into unselfish and

self-reliant adults, who react instinctively according to the code

without any apparent effort at self-discipline or self control. Pat

found no man or woman with an impulse to rebel.

 

Occasionally people disagreed with group actions and would go their

own way, but in this they were not following any individual

preference but the dictates of their dreams.

 

Extensive research had confirmed Pat's early observations concerning

their social behavior, which was characterized by an almost complete

lack of discord. Except for the single instance already recorded, he

encountered no friction between the groups. There were occasional

disputes between unrelated individuals over women: these were heard

by a jury and the mater settled by the payment of fine by the

offending party.. But, quarrels between relatives within the group

was unknown.

 

Odd individuals, who might otherwise have caused trouble by reason of

their bad-tempered, selfish or anti-social actions were invariably

regarded as backward, over grown children and were treated with

tolerant good humor.

 

Pat encountered no theft, no sexual offences and no offences against

children. Homosexuality was unknown. And tribal customs included no

practices such as cannibalism, head hunting, child-betrothal,

immolation of widows, or ritual mutilation of bodies.

 

 

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community owns.

 

 

 

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