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September 16, 2002

Dear friends , Ramana said that to acquire a satvic mind , a good aid was a

vegetarian diet

with milk products .Are there any other aids suggested ?A satvic mind helps Self

Enquiry ..Regards

Alan

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Dear Alan,

yes, the mind has to become satvic for vichara - whatever is helpful

should be done. But at least it is the other way round: vichara makes

the mind satvic and ready to merge in the Self. So vichara is the way

and the goal.

In HIM

Gabriele

PS: Nice to meet you here, Alan.

RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

> Dear friends , Ramana said that to acquire a satvic mind , a good

aid was a vegetarian diet

> with milk products .Are there any other aids suggested ?A satvic

mind helps Self Enquiry ..Regards

> Alan

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September 17, 2002

Dear Alan,

Welcome to the list. To answer your question:

> Ramana said that to acquire a sattvic mind,

> a good aid was a vegetarian diet with milk products.

> Are there any other aids suggested ?

The only external physical change that Bhagavan

ever recommened was a sattvic diet.

My authority for this sweeping statement is page

133 of David Godman's book "Be As You Are."

David knows the literature on Sri Ramana extremely

well and has spent thousands of hours interviewing

Sri Ramana's direct disciples.

Bhagavan also recommended the company of

self-realized persons, prayers, japa, etc., but

people usually classify these as "practices" and not

"'aids," so I imagine this isn't what you were asking

about.

Best regards,

Rob

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Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:46 AM

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September 17, 2002

--- viorica <viorica wrote:

Dear Viorica , yes he also spoke about heavy spices , raw garlic , onion and

tobacco and alchohol

as being non-satvic .regards Alan

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What about diet ?

Maharshi :

Food affects the mind . The right food makes it more

sattvic . For the practice of any kind of yoga , vegetarianism

is absolutely necessary.

from Conscious Immortality

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--- Rob Sacks <editor wrote:

Dear Rob, yes a good point about practices .His early Essay SELF ENQUIRY {see

Collected Works}

refers to many practices but he always seem to regard these as aids to Self

Enquiry ,if helpful ,

and never ends in themself .Regards , thanks for the welcome ,it is a joy to be

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focused group .

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Dear Alan,

Welcome to the list. To answer your question:

> Ramana said that to acquire a sattvic mind,

> a good aid was a vegetarian diet with milk products.

> Are there any other aids suggested ?

The only external physical change that Bhagavan

ever recommened was a sattvic diet.

My authority for this sweeping statement is page

133 of David Godman's book "Be As You Are."

David knows the literature on Sri Ramana extremely

well and has spent thousands of hours interviewing

Sri Ramana's direct disciples.

Bhagavan also recommended the company of

self-realized persons, prayers, japa, etc., but

people usually classify these as "practices" and not

"'aids," so I imagine this isn't what you were asking

about.

Best regards,

Rob

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--- gabriele_ebert <g.ebert wrote:

Dear Gabriele , so glad to meet you again in this Group .I agree with all you

have written ,

a most helpful point I hadn't seen , all .love Alan

<HR>

<tt>

Dear Alan,

yes, the mind has to become satvic for vichara - whatever is helpful

should be done. But at least it is the other way round: vichara makes

the mind satvic and ready to merge in the Self. So vichara is the way

and the goal.

In HIM

Gabriele

PS: Nice to meet you here, Alan.

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aid was a vegetarian diet

> with milk products .Are there any other aids suggested ?A satvic

mind helps Self Enquiry ..Regards

> Alan

>

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September 17, 2002

Dear Alan:

My Ramana friend who spends most of his time in India and only comes

home here in Honolulu to make enough money to go back to India told

me that Sri Ramana was a great cook. I said that Sri Ramana would not

like the fact that I use garlic in my cooking. He replied that Ramana

used Garlic also. Now I am not saying this is true. Anyone else know

about this?

Thanks in Advance,

Loving Sri Ramana

RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

> --- viorica <viorica@z...> wrote:

> Dear Viorica , yes he also spoke about heavy spices , raw garlic ,

onion and tobacco and alchohol

> as being non-satvic .regards Alan

>

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> What about diet ?

>

> Maharshi :

>

> Food affects the mind . The right food makes it more

> sattvic . For the practice of any kind of yoga , vegetarianism

> is absolutely necessary.

>

> from Conscious Immortality

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Dear LSR,

You write:

> He replied that Ramana used Garlic also. Now

> I am not saying this is true. Anyone else know

> about this?

According to Krishna Bhikshu, a devotee of Sri

Ramana's and author of a Telugu biography about

him, Sri Ramana ate both onions and garlic. He also

sometimes smoked bhang (cannabis). Coffee was

drunk regularly at ashram meals. This information

is contained on pages 74-75 and 92-93 of David

Godman's new book, Power of the Presence Part 3.

Here's an interesting quotation from the book:

.. Some of [sri Ramana's] positions on orthodoxy

.. seemed at first sight to be a little perplexing.

.. Onions and garlic were used in the ashram

.. kitchen when it was known that many orthodox

.. brahmins would not eat food that had been

.. prepared with them. Major Chadwick once

.. asked Bhagavan if eating onions was an impediment

.. to spiritual progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it

.. was. Chadwick, though he was not a Hindu and

.. was not therefore subject to sastraic injunctions,

.. immediately gave them up, but many of the ashram's

.. brahmins continued to eat them in the dining room.

.. (Page 92.)

Best regards,

Rob

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Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:59 PM

[RamanaMaharshi] Re: satvic mind

September 17, 2002

Somebody asked me in a private message to send a

longer quotation about food from "Power of the

Presence Part 3." Since it is now typed for that

purpose it might as well be posted here too:

.................................

>From "Power of the Presence Part 3" by David Godman.

The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu:

On a new-moon day a group of very orthodox brahmins

came to the ashram from town. They wanted to pay their

respects to Bhagavan first and then have a bath and

return to the town for tarpanam, a new-moon ceremony in

which one worships one's ancestors. As the ashram was

situated between several burial grounds, the place was

considered polluting. After leaving it a bath was

mandatory. Also, because of restrictions due to the new

moon, the tarpanam ceremony and the proximity of burial

grounds, they would not be able to eat food in the

ashram. Bhagavan greeted them all and invited them to

have breakfast with him. How could they refuse? They

went to the dining hall, sat down and were served

uppuma, a wheat dish cooked with spices and fried

vegetables, and coffee. After the breakfast Bhagavan

was explaining the nutritional and dietetic virtues of

onion. Somebody remarked that onions carry their odour

with them into every food.

'Not at all,' said Bhagavan. 'If you fry them in castor

oil they lose their odour completely. Could you smell

the onions in the uppuma? Have I not succeeded in

making them odourless?'

The poor brahmins, who never touched onions and garlic,

were shocked. What saved them from serious trouble with

their caste was the fact that what they did or ate was

at Bhagavan's bidding!

An even more extreme example springs to mind. A

devotee once brought some expensive halva for Bhagavan.

The sweets were arranged on a large tray and put before

Bhagavan on the ground. A dog came in and touched the

sweets with hisnose. One of the inmates got furious

and tried to drive the dog away.

Bhagavan got up and shouted at the devotee, 'Get out!

What right have you to drive this dog away? On what

grounds do you stop a dog from eating? Does this halva

belong to you?'

He cut the halva into pieces, ate some himself and

distributed the rest with his own hands. All the people

present had to eat it as his prasad whether they wanted

to or not.

Bhagavan was not always so insistent. My younger

brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the

habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused

when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of

coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was

told that he must drink it, for all food given in the

ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan's prasad and

cannot be refused.

My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, 'They

say that coffee is your prasad. I am not accustomed to

coffee and I do not like it.'

Bhagavan answered, 'I never ask for coffee. Whether I

like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that

coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their

heart's content. They also induce others to drink it,

saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.'

(From pages 74-75.)

Some of his positions on orthodoxy seemed at first

sight to be a little perplexing. Onions and garlic

were used in the ashram kitchen when it was known that

many orthodox brahmins would not eat food that had been

prepared with them. Major Chadwick once asked Bhagavan

if eating onions was an impediment to spiritual

progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it was. Chadwick,

though he was not a Hindu and was not therefore subject

to sastraic injunctions, immediately gave them up, but

many of the ashram's brahmins continued to eat them in

the dining room.

How could such a situation come about? I think the

answer lies in the freedom Bhagavan gave to his

devotees to choose their own path. It is true that he

allowed a good deal of liberty to his followers in the

matter of the food they ate, but that does not

necessarily mean that he approved of what they were

doing. Bhagavan's way was to influence rather than

command. The true command, according to Bhagavan,

should come from within, leading to voluntary and not

enforced right action. Bhagavan never ordered Devaraja

Mudaliar, for example, to become a vegetarian, but when

the latter was wondering whether he should take this

step, he asked Bhagavan's advice. He was not sure

whether a vegetarian diet would contain adequate

nourishment for him. This was after he had been a

devotee for many years. Bhagavan assured him

categorically that he would not suffer if he gave up

non-vegetarian food.

There was a still more extraordinary case in the early

years of the ashram. Some of the sadhaks used to take

bhang [cannabis] and they would offer it to Bhagavan

first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it

when offered. It had no effect on him, since he had no

mind to be disturbed. (From pages 92-93.)

September 17, 2002

--- Alton Slater <leenalton wrote:

Dear Alton , Hi , .I believe he referred to raw garlic and onion as being

unconducive to the

Satvic mind -not cooked with mild spices .The reference to alchohol and tobacco

is in a

conversation with Brunton , when Ramana said I am glad you have given up tobacco

and alchohol as

they are not good for meditation ,but have you given up "doership" yet

?Paradoxically Nisardagatta

was not strictly vegetarian and a smoker so was Ramakrishna .I seem to remember

reading that he

said the Jnani could eat anything for his fire burned it up -but not the ajnani

..Regards Alan

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Dear Alan:

My Ramana friend who spends most of his time in India and only comes

home here in Honolulu to make enough money to go back to India told

me that Sri Ramana was a great cook. I said that Sri Ramana would not

like the fact that I use garlic in my cooking. He replied that Ramana

used Garlic also. Now I am not saying this is true. Anyone else know

about this?

Thanks in Advance,

Loving Sri Ramana

RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

> --- viorica <viorica@z...> wrote:

> Dear Viorica , yes he also spoke about heavy spices , raw garlic ,

onion and tobacco and alchohol

> as being non-satvic .regards Alan

>

> <HR>

> <html><body>

>

> <tt>

> What about diet ?

>

> Maharshi :

>

> Food affects the mind . The right food makes it more

> sattvic . For the practice of any kind of yoga , vegetarianism

> is absolutely necessary.

>

> from Conscious Immortality

>

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