Ashtavakra Gita - Knowledge

September 18, 2002

Thanks for the links Viorica.. I read your postings with pleasure,

Sam

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:02 AM

[RamanaMaharshi] Ashtavakra Gita - Knowledge

The Heart Of Awareness

A translation of the Ashtavakra Gita ----- By Dr. Thomas Byrom

6 Knowledge

I am boundless space.

The world is a clay pot.

This is the truth.

There is nothing to accept,

Nothing to reject,

Nothing to dissolve.

I am the ocean.

All the worlds are like waves.

This is the truth.

Nothing to hold on to,

Nothing to let go of,

Nothing to dissolve.

I am the mother-of-pearl.

The world is a vein of silver,

An illusion!

This is the truth.

Nothing to grasp,

Nothing to spurn,

Nothing to dissolve.

I am in all beings.

All beings are in me.

This is the whole truth.

Nothing to embrace,

Nothing to relinquish,

Nothing to dissolve.

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September 19, 2002

--- sampas <sampas wrote:

This is an absolutist Advaita scripture .Along with the Ribbhu Gita , the

Avadhut Gita ,and the

Yoga Vashista ,Tripura Rasa etc. Sri Bhagavan would read these with close

disciples . . Some

People say that they represent his para vidya or advanced teaching rather than

concessionary

answers given to visitors out of compasssion as in talks , his apara vidya .Of

course his own

his Paramartha Dipa , 40 verses , and supplement and thirty verses would fall

into this hallowed

category .Are there any more that members think I have left out ?Absolute

Advaita - not those

containing the apara vidya {Shankara's text} .The Ramana devotee Ramesh Balsekar

has written a

brilliant commentary on the Ashtavakra , called Duet for One .Regards Alan

<HR>

<tt>

Thanks for the links Viorica.. I read your postings with pleasure,

Sam

-

viorica w

RM

Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:02 AM

[RamanaMaharshi] Ashtavakra Gita - Knowledge

The Heart Of Awareness

A translation of the Ashtavakra Gita ----- By Dr.

Thomas Byrom

6 Knowledge

I am boundless

space. &n\

bsp; &nbs\

p; \

&n\

bsp; &nbs\

p;

The world is a clay pot.

This is the truth.

There is nothing to accept,

Nothing to reject,

Nothing to dissolve.

I am the

ocean. &n\

bsp; &nbs\

p; \

&n\

bsp; &nbs\

p; \

All the worlds are like waves.

This is the truth.

Nothing to hold on to,

Nothing to let go of,

Nothing to dissolve.

I am the

mother-of-pearl. &nbs\

p; \

&n\

bsp; &nbs\

p; \

The world is a vein of silver,

An illusion!

This is the truth.

Nothing to grasp,

Nothing to spurn,

Nothing to dissolve.

I am in all

beings. &\

nbsp; &nb\

sp; \

; &\

nbsp; &nb\

sp; \

;

All beings are in me.

This is the whole truth.

Nothing to embrace,

Nothing to relinquish,

Nothing to dissolve.

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September 19, 2002

Dear Alan,

I guess the book that contains the fullest presentation of

Bhagavan's teachings would be "Guru Vachaka Kovai"

by Sri Muruganar, even though Bhagavan wrote only a

small fraction of the verses. Sri Ramanasramam sells an

English translation under the name "The Garland of Guru's

Sayings."

Or are you asking about older books written by other

people? In that case, take a look at the reading list

he gave to Annamalai Swami:

.. On another occasion, when I asked Bhagavan

.. to select some reading material for me, he gave

.. me a short-list of six books: Kaivalya Navanitam,

.. Ribhu Gita, Asthavakra Gita, Ellam Ondre,

.. Swarupa Saram and Yoga Vasishta.

..

.. He laid particular stress on Ellam Ondre, telling

.. me, "If you want moksha [liberation] write, read

.. and practise the instructions in Ellam Ondre."

.. (Living By the Words of Bhagavan, pp. 98-99.)

(The full text of Ellam Ondre is on my website at

http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/eo/eo_0.htm.)

But let me ask you something. What do you regard as

Bhagavan's para vidya? I would say it's the simple advice

to turn the attention inward in search of the Self until the

hridayam pulls the mind in and destroys it. I get the feeling

that you take a different view, that you regard his para

vidya as some kind of metaphysics. Is this the case? If

so this might be an interesting disagreement to talk about.

Best regards,

Rob

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:32 AM

Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Ashtavakra Gita - Knowledge

> --- sampas <sampas wrote:

> This is an absolutist Advaita scripture .Along with the Ribbhu Gita , the

Avadhut Gita ,and the

> Yoga Vashista ,Tripura Rasa etc. Sri Bhagavan would read these with close

disciples . . Some

> People say that they represent his para vidya or advanced teaching rather than

concessionary

> answers given to visitors out of compasssion as in talks , his apara vidya

..Of course his own

> his Paramartha Dipa , 40 verses , and supplement and thirty verses would fall

into this hallowed

> category .Are there any more that members think I have left out ?Absolute

Advaita - not those

> containing the apara vidya {Shankara's text} .The Ramana devotee Ramesh

Balsekar has written a

> brilliant commentary on the Ashtavakra , called Duet for One .Regards Alan

>

September 19, 2002

om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

Dear Rob,

> What do you regard as Bhagavan's para vidya? I would say it's the

> simple advice to turn the attention inward ... until the hridayam

> pulls the mind in and destroys it.

Indeed. So simple.

Thank you.

Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan,

Mil

September 19, 2002

(The full text of Ellam Ondre is on my website at

http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/eo/eo_0.htm.)

>>I for one am gratified for the online version, my thanks.

But let me ask you something. What do you regard as

Bhagavan's para vidya? I would say it's the simple advice

to turn the attention inward in search of the Self until the

hridayam pulls the mind in and destroys it. I get the feeling

that you take a different view, that you regard his para

vidya as some kind of metaphysics. Is this the case? If

so this might be an interesting disagreement to talk about.

>>This is purely a personal opinion based on experience, which truly speaking,

leads to That which is beyond experiences, but Bhagavan's 'Para' teaching is

utter simplicity, as you have said so well above, and led by, but higher than,

any instruction. Indeed it is the fruit of instruction that has been trasmuted

into the extremely personal and at once impersonal experience in the laboratory

of one's own being. It is so utterly pure and simple that it is 'difficult' for

the mind, if that makes sense.

>>forgive the comment on something that was not directed personally towards me.

Guru Om

Markandeya Gurudas

September 19, 2002

--- M <trika wrote:

I quite agree that Ramana's paravidya is Self Enquiry and Self Surrender . The

concessions I

referred to are those given out of compassion talking about seeing one's

relations in heaven ,

worshiping idols , other worlds , etc. etc. The paravidya he gave was as in

the Gitas to which i

referred , Ashtavakra , Ribbhu etc .In Shankara's Commentary on the Gita he

makes this distinction

, the paravidya is the absolute nondual truth , the aparavidya referred to good

works for rewards

in the next life , ritual , and sacrificial practices etc . This is the sense I

intended the

distinction . The Metaphysics of Advaita are the paravidya .Originally this

teaching was reserved

for prepared Brahmins the aparavidya was for the people .It is Bhagavan's glory

that he has made

the higher teaching is now available to all who are receptive -east and west

..We must not abuse

it .I trust this explains this point of view , but I stand to be corrected

..Regards Alan .

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September 19, 2002

--- Rob Sacks <editor wrote:

Dear Rob , thankyou for the reply .I have answered the question in a reply to

another recipient .I

am pleased to receive your list , it completes my lacunas .Regards Alan

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<tt>

Dear Alan,

I guess the book that contains the fullest presentation of

Bhagavan's teachings would be "Guru Vachaka Kovai"

by Sri Muruganar, even though Bhagavan wrote only a

small fraction of the verses. Sri Ramanasramam sells an

English translation under the name "The Garland of Guru's

Sayings."

Or are you asking about older books written by other

people? In that case, take a look at the reading list

he gave to Annamalai Swami:

.. On another occasion, when I asked Bhagavan

.. to select some reading material for me, he gave

.. me a short-list of six books: Kaivalya Navanitam,

.. Ribhu Gita, Asthavakra Gita, Ellam Ondre,

.. Swarupa Saram and Yoga Vasishta.

..

.. He laid particular stress on Ellam Ondre, telling

.. me, "If you want moksha [liberation] write, read

.. and practise the instructions in Ellam Ondre."

.. (Living By the Words of Bhagavan, pp. 98-99.)

(The full text of Ellam Ondre is on my website at

<a

href="http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/eo/eo_0.htm.)"> Terms of Service</a>.</tt>

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September 19, 2002

The Metaphysics of Advaita are the paravidya

>>Para vidya is beyond concepts such as metaphysics,and gross words which

deliniate them. Para is the cradle of words, thoughts, all action. Specific

thoughts, words, and actions are the lila of Para. This is common knowledge.

..Originally this teaching was reserved

for prepared Brahmins the aparavidya was for the people .It is Bhagavan's glory

that he has made

the higher teaching is now available to all who are receptive -east and west

..We must not abuse

it .I trust this explains this point of view , but I stand to be corrected

>>You are obviously a thoughtful and intelligent man my dear friend, this

description however of Para is in truth paraapara or bhedabheda...any conceptual

teaching has the duality-cum-unity matrix which uses words and concepts. These

may indeed lead to Para, but cannot be called Para. As I have stated earlier,

Para reveals Truth within the laboratory of the body under the supreme Guidance

of the formless Guru, the Adi Guru Shiva, within. This is the fruit of the

aformentioned paraapara guidance of the Guru of form which comes to the ripe

aspirant by the grace of the primal formless Sadguru Shiva, or whatever other

name one chooses to use for God, Brahman, Rama, Krishna, etc.

Guru Om

Markandeya Gurudas

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