Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 For practising atma vichara every day is auspicious and every moment is good - no discipline is prescribed at all. Any time, anywhere it can be done, even without others noticing that you are doing it. All other sadhanas require external objects and congenial environment, but for atma vichara nothing external to oneself is required. Turning the mind within is all that is necessary. While one is engaged in atma vichara one can with ease attend to other activities also. Besides, atma vichara being a purely internal movement, one does not also distract others who are around; whereas, in sadhanas like puja, others do notice you. One-pointed perseverence alone is essential in Self-enquiry and that is done purely inwardly, all the time. Your attention on the Self within alone is essential. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sri Ramana in: Ganesan: Moments Remembered ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 In RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > For practising atma vichara every day is auspicious > and every moment is good - > no discipline is prescribed at all. > Any time, anywhere it can be done, > even without others noticing that you are doing it. Oh Gabriele!! Every moment of every day is spent in atmavicara..every moment of every day...yet still there are those who ask why realisation remains unfulfilled...?? Oh Ramana please answer!! Oh... Ramana why ...? Why...? Why...? Is it so difficult?? You have said that realisation is the easiest thing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 Dear Sri Friend Miles, Perhaps because we are convinced that this can't be it. Sometimes I ask myself, if this can't be God, then what in the world could be God? But of course that doesn't work either. The urge to try to get there from here is so powerful. - "Miles Wright" <ramana.bhakta <RamanaMaharshi> Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:44 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: every moment is good for atma vichara > In RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > For practising atma vichara every day is auspicious > > and every moment is good - > > no discipline is prescribed at all. > > Any time, anywhere it can be done, > > even without others noticing that you are doing it. > > > Oh Gabriele!! > > Every moment of every day is spent in atmavicara..every moment of > every day...yet still there are those who ask why realisation remains > unfulfilled...?? Oh Ramana please answer!! Oh... Ramana why ...? > Why...? Why...? Is it so difficult?? You have said that realisation > is the easiest thing!!! > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2002 Report Share Posted September 22, 2002 Yes, Miles, why is vichara seen as so difficult? It is the most natural and easiest thing, indeed, nothing mystious, nothing complicate about - and we know it all and ever have known. It is so obvious. All is already fulfilled yet and was ever. All is perfectly complete. There is no non-realization. Bhagavan is alright with that. Only to discover this - everything is done. In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "Miles Wright" <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > In RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > For practising atma vichara every day is auspicious > > and every moment is good - > > no discipline is prescribed at all. > > Any time, anywhere it can be done, > > even without others noticing that you are doing it. > > > Oh Gabriele!! > > Every moment of every day is spent in atmavicara..every moment of > every day...yet still there are those who ask why realisation remains > unfulfilled...?? Oh Ramana please answer!! Oh... Ramana why ...? > Why...? Why...? Is it so difficult?? You have said that realisation > is the easiest thing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2002 Report Share Posted September 22, 2002 Dear One(s): I recall Sri Ramana having said that some people are like gun powder that ignites instantly, and some are like coal that takes longer, etc. (I suppose some people may feel they are igniting very slow like trying to ignite concrete. LOL) That would be one answer to the question with all the Practice of Atma Vichara why realization remains unfullfilled? Maybe someone can find that quote about the gun powder etc. to see the exact wording as I am just going from memory. In the Path of Sri Ramana Part I, Sri Sadhu Om writes about asking everytime a thought arises To whom do these thoughts arise? Sri Sadhu Om says that it is not suprising that so many people seem to make no progress using such a method. He goes on to say that some people even look forward to the next thought so they can ask the question again! This is not the most wise view according to Sri Sadhu Om. Sri Sadhu Om, advocates Self-attention instead. There is an approach that Sri Muruganar described as Awareness watching Awareness that is very much like what Sri Sadhu Om describes as Self-attention. It may be more accurate to call this approach Self-Abidance instead of Self-inquiry and it may be a more direct approach than Self Inquiry. Last year in Satsang with Mahatma Ganesan (Sri Ramana's Grand Nephew), I asked the question: Is Awareness, just the ordinary Awareness that is looking out through these eyes at you, the same as the I AM that Nisargadatta referred to? Ganesan said yes it is the same. I like the method of Awareness watching Awareness the best. In it I am not looking for some far off Infinite Perfect Awareness, just this Awareness that is aware of writing these words, instead of focussing on the words turning the awareness back to look at itself. Therefore a second answer to the question of Realization being so far away would be there may be a better approach to Self-Inquiry. Or it may be that Sri Sadhu Om was pointing toward the more direct approach of Self-Abidance. I wrote on this subject on a web page, and included some quotes by Sri Muruganar on the subject of Awareness watching Awareness: http://uarelove1.tripod.com/OM7.htm When one wonders why Realization takes so long, it might be better to phrase it why does it take so long for the ego-illusion, desire, suffering, the world appearance, and the I am the body identification to end? That tends to bring up the related idea of making progress. Sri Ramana Maharshi often said that the sadhaka is often not aware of the progress they are making. He would often preface that by saying how do you know you are not making progress? In Silence of the Heart I, Robert Adams makes the same point. He says that it may seem that in the practice of Atma Vichara that nothing is happening. He says much progress is happening. Here is a quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj on that subject: "You seem to want instant insight, forgetting that the instant is always preceded by a long preparation. The fruit falls suddenly, but the ripening takes time." You can read 200 quotes by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj on the importance of practice, earnestness, effort, striving, trying, application and how to practice here: http://uarelove1.tripod.com/NISARGADATTA_QUOTES.htm Take care, with Love, uarelove > Oh Gabriele!! > > Every moment of every day is spent in atmavicara..every moment of > every day...yet still there are those who ask why realisation remains > unfulfilled...?? Oh Ramana please answer!! Oh... Ramana why ...? > Why...? Why...? Is it so difficult?? You have said that realisation > is the easiest thing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2002 Report Share Posted September 22, 2002 Very beautiful! Love, Harsha --- Infinite Freedom <uarelove wrote: > Dear One(s): > > I recall Sri Ramana having said that some people are > like > > gun powder that ignites instantly, > > and some are like coal that takes longer, etc. > > (I suppose some people may feel they are igniting > very > > slow like trying to ignite concrete. LOL) > > That would be one answer to the question with all > the > > Practice of Atma Vichara why realization remains > unfullfilled? > > Maybe someone can find that quote about the gun > powder etc. > > to see the exact wording as I am just going from > memory. > > In the Path of Sri Ramana Part I, > > Sri Sadhu Om writes about asking everytime a thought > arises > > To whom do these thoughts arise? > > Sri Sadhu Om says that it is not suprising that so > many people > > seem to make no progress using such a method. > > He goes on to say that some people even look forward > to the next > > thought so they can ask the question again! > > This is not the most wise view according to Sri > Sadhu Om. > > Sri Sadhu Om, advocates Self-attention instead. > > There is an approach that Sri Muruganar described as > > > Awareness watching Awareness that is very much like > what > > Sri Sadhu Om describes as Self-attention. > > It may be more accurate to call this approach > > Self-Abidance instead of Self-inquiry and it may be > a more > > direct approach than Self Inquiry. > > Last year in Satsang with Mahatma Ganesan > > (Sri Ramana's Grand Nephew), > > I asked the question: > > Is Awareness, just the ordinary Awareness > > that is looking out through these eyes at you, > > the same as the I AM that Nisargadatta referred to? > > Ganesan said yes it is the same. > > I like the method of Awareness watching Awareness > the best. > > In it I am not looking for some far off Infinite > Perfect > > Awareness, just this Awareness that is aware of > writing these > > words, instead of focussing on the words turning the > awareness > > back to look at itself. > > Therefore a second answer to the question of > Realization > > being so far away would be there may be a better > approach to > > Self-Inquiry. Or it may be that Sri Sadhu Om was > pointing > > toward the more direct approach of Self-Abidance. > > I wrote on this subject on a web page, and included > some quotes by > > Sri Muruganar on the subject of Awareness watching > Awareness: > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/OM7.htm > > When one wonders why Realization takes so long, > > it might be better to phrase it why does it take so > long > > for the ego-illusion, desire, suffering, the world > appearance, > > and the I am the body identification to end? > > That tends to bring up the related idea of making > progress. > > Sri Ramana Maharshi often said that the sadhaka is > often not aware > > of the progress they are making. > > He would often preface that by saying how do you > know you are not > > making progress? > > In Silence of the Heart I, Robert Adams makes the > same point. > > He says that it may seem that in the practice of > Atma Vichara > > that nothing is happening. He says much progress is > happening. > > Here is a quote from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj on > that subject: > > "You seem to want instant insight, > > forgetting that the instant is always preceded by a > long preparation. > > The fruit falls suddenly, but the ripening takes > time." > > You can read 200 quotes by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > on the importance > > of practice, earnestness, effort, striving, trying, > application > > and how to practice here: > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/NISARGADATTA_QUOTES.htm > > Take care, > > with Love, > > uarelove ===== /join New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2002 Report Share Posted September 22, 2002 Dear uarelove, The quote you are referring to is in Talk 155. Major Chadwick asked about the effecot of the look of a Mahatma and complained why he did not feel this benefiction being now for three months in Bhagavan' spresence. The Maharshi answered him: "The look has a purifying effect, Purification cannot be visualised. Just as a piece of coal takes long to be ignited, a piece of charcoal takes a short time, and a mass of gunpowder is instantaneously ignited, so it is with grades of men coming in contact with Mahatmas." In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "Infinite Freedom" <uarelove> wrote: > Dear One(s): > > I recall Sri Ramana having said that some people are like > > gun powder that ignites instantly, > > and some are like coal that takes longer, etc. > > (I suppose some people may feel they are igniting very > > slow like trying to ignite concrete. LOL) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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