Guest guest Posted September 26, 2002 Report Share Posted September 26, 2002 Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi was most tender with people who thought themselves for some reason or other to be miserable sinners and who went to him torn by repentance. During summer evenings we used to sit in the open space near the well. We would collect in the dining hall for dinner and come back to the well. Suddenly, one day, a visitor started weeping bitterly, "I am a horrible sinner. For a long time I have been coming to your feet, but there is no change in me. Can I become pure at last? How long am I to wait? When I am here near you I am good for a time, but when I leave this place I become a beast again. You cannot imagine how bad I can be-hardly a human being. Am I to remain a sinner forever?" Bhagavan answered: "Why do you come to me? What have I to do with you? What is there between us that you should come here and weep and cry in front of me?" The man started moaning and crying even more, as if his heart were breaking. "All my hopes of salvation are gone. You were my last refuge and you say you have nothing to do with me! To whom shall I turn now? What am I to do? To whom am I to go?" Bhagavan watched him for some time and said, "Am I your guru that I should be responsible for your salvation? Have I ever said that I am your master?" "If you are not my master, then who is? And who are you, if not my master? You are my guru, you are my guardian angel, you will pity me and release me from my sins!" He started sobbing and crying again. We all sat silent, overcome with pity. Only Bhagavan looked alert and matter-of-fact. Bh: "If I am your guru, what are my fees? Surely you should pay me for my services." D: "But you won't take anything," cried the visitor. "What can I give you?" Bh: "Did I ever say that I don't take anything? And did you ever ask me what you can give me?" D: "If you would take, then ask me. There is nothing I would not give you." Bh: "All right. Now I am asking. Give me. What will you give me?" D: "Take anything, all is yours." Bh: "Then give me all the good you have done in this world." D: "What good could I have done? I have not a single virtue to my credit" Bh: "You have promised to give. Now give. Don't talk of your credit. Just give away all the good you have done in your past." D: "Yes, I shall give. But how does one give? Tell me how the giving is done and I shall give." Bh: "Say like this: 'All the good I have done in the past I am giving away entirely to my guru. Henceforth I have no merit from it nor have I any concern with it.' Say it with your whole heart." D: "All right, Swami, I am giving away to you all the good I have done so far, if I have done any, and all its good effects. I am giving it to you gladly, for you are my master and you are asking me to give it all away to you." Bh: "But this is not enough," said Bhagavan sternly. D: "I gave you all I have and all you asked me to give. I have nothing more to give." Bh: "No, you have. Give me all your sins." D: The man looked wildly at Bhagavan, terror stricken. "You do not know, Swami, what you are asking for. If you knew, you would not ask me. If you take over my sins, your body will rot and burn. You do not know me, you do not know my sins. Please do not ask me for my sins." And he wept bitterly. Bh: "I shall look after myself, don't you worry about me," said Bhagavan. "All I want from you is your sins." For a long time the bargain would not go through. The man refused to part with his sins. But Bhagavan was adamant. Bh: "Either give me your sins along with your merits, or keep both and don't think of me as your master." In the end the visitor's scruples broke down and he declared: "Whatever sins I have done, they are no longer mine. All of them and their results, too, belong to Ramana." Bhagavan seemed to be satisfied. "From now on there is no good nor bad in you. You are just pure. Go and do nothing, neither good nor bad. Remain yourself, remain what you are." A great peace fell over the man and over us all. No one knows what happened to the fortunate visitor; he was never seen in the Ashram again. He might have been in no further need of coming. Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Sri Loving aka Alton, Thank you immensely for this posting. It is one of the many episodes of Grandeur and Compassion of Ramana that shake us completely to surrender. It is a replay of the episode in Mahabharata where the great warrior KarNa, famous for his generosity and charity, grieviously wounded by the arrows of his younger brother Arjuna, is in the last moments of release from the body, in the battle field. But KarNa's life lingers, not letting go of the body. Lord Vishnu (Krishna) appears as a poor brahmin before him and asks KarNa for charity. KarNa says "Alas you have come too late my friend, I have nothing more to give." Then the brahmin asks as charity, all the puNyA, the merit of all the good he has done. KarNa says "So be it, I give to you the merit of all the good I have done." This act of "letting go", releases KarNa from his attachment to the doership of all the good deeds and from the individuality of the doer. These episodes, one a replay of the other, bring tears in my eyes. The compassion of the Guru is unbounded indeed. We are blessed to be reading about and talking about these episodes. And thanks to Sri Alton's fingers which keyed this posting on "Give me all your merit." om gurave namah suri Loving Sri Ramana <leenalton wrote: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi was most tender with people who thought themselves for some reason or other to be miserable sinners and who went to him torn by repentance. During summer evenings we used to sit in the open space near the well. We would collect in the dining hall for dinner and come back to the well. Suddenly, one day, a visitor started weeping bitterly, "I am a horrible sinner. For a long time I have been coming to your feet, but there is no change in me. Can I become pure at last? How long am I to wait? When I am here near you I am good for a time, but when I leave this place I become a beast again. You cannot imagine how bad I can be-hardly a human being. Am I to remain a sinner forever?" Bhagavan answered: "Why do you come to me? What have I to do with you? What is there between us that you should come here and weep and cry in front of me?" The man started moaning and crying even more, as if his heart were breaking. "All my hopes of salvation are gone. You were my last refuge and you say you have nothing to do with me! To whom shall I turn now? What am I to do? To whom am I to go?" Bhagavan watched him for some time and said, "Am I your guru that I should be responsible for your salvation? Have I ever said that I am your master?" "If you are not my master, then who is? And who are you, if not my master? You are my guru, you are my guardian angel, you will pity me and release me from my sins!" He started sobbing and crying again. We all sat silent, overcome with pity. Only Bhagavan looked alert and matter-of-fact. Bh: "If I am your guru, what are my fees? Surely you should pay me for my services." D: "But you won't take anything," cried the visitor. "What can I give you?" Bh: "Did I ever say that I don't take anything? And did you ever ask me what you can give me?" D: "If you would take, then ask me. There is nothing I would not give you." Bh: "All right. Now I am asking. Give me. What will you give me?" D: "Take anything, all is yours." Bh: "Then give me all the good you have done in this world." D: "What good could I have done? I have not a single virtue to my credit" Bh: "You have promised to give. Now give. Don't talk of your credit. Just give away all the good you have done in your past." D: "Yes, I shall give. But how does one give? Tell me how the giving is done and I shall give." Bh: "Say like this: 'All the good I have done in the past I am giving away entirely to my guru. Henceforth I have no merit from it nor have I any concern with it.' Say it with your whole heart." D: "All right, Swami, I am giving away to you all the good I have done so far, if I have done any, and all its good effects. I am giving it to you gladly, for you are my master and you are asking me to give it all away to you." Bh: "But this is not enough," said Bhagavan sternly. D: "I gave you all I have and all you asked me to give. I have nothing more to give." Bh: "No, you have. Give me all your sins." D: The man looked wildly at Bhagavan, terror stricken. "You do not know, Swami, what you are asking for. If you knew, you would not ask me. If you take over my sins, your body will rot and burn. You do not know me, you do not know my sins. Please do not ask me for my sins." And he wept bitterly. Bh: "I shall look after myself, don't you worry about me," said Bhagavan. "All I want from you is your sins." For a long time the bargain would not go through. The man refused to part with his sins. But Bhagavan was adamant. Bh: "Either give me your sins along with your merits, or keep both and don't think of me as your master." In the end the visitor's scruples broke down and he declared: "Whatever sins I have done, they are no longer mine. All of them and their results, too, belong to Ramana." Bhagavan seemed to be satisfied. "From now on there is no good nor bad in you. You are just pure. Go and do nothing, neither good nor bad. Remain yourself, remain what you are." A great peace fell over the man and over us all. No one knows what happened to the fortunate visitor; he was never seen in the Ashram again. He might have been in no further need of coming. Hari Aum !!! Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to Properties Special Buy, sell, rent...your flat, or even post an ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 Dear Alton, Hari Om. Reading this posting was a very moving experience. It brings to life the Maharshi's infinite love. Somehow, I've read dozens of books on the maharshi, but have never come across this episode. Do you have any idea, in which book does it appear? Regards, Vikram. ************************** RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > > Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi was most tender with people who thought > themselves for some reason or other to be miserable sinners and who > went to him torn by repentance. > > During summer evenings we used to sit in the open space near the > well. We would collect in the dining hall for dinner and come back to > the well. Suddenly, one day, a visitor started weeping bitterly, "I > am a horrible sinner. For a long time I have been coming to your > feet, but there is no change in me. Can I become pure at last? How > long am I to wait? When I am here near you I am good for a time, but > when I leave this place I become a beast again. You cannot imagine > how bad I can be-hardly a human being. Am I to remain a sinner > forever?" > > > Bhagavan answered: "Why do you come to me? What have I to do with > you? What is there between us that you should come here and weep and > cry in front of me?" > > The man started moaning and crying even more, as if his heart were > breaking. "All my hopes of salvation are gone. You were my last > refuge and you say you have nothing to do with me! To whom shall I > turn now? What am I to do? To whom am I to go?" > > Bhagavan watched him for some time and said, "Am I your guru that I > should be responsible for your salvation? Have I ever said that I am > your master?" > > "If you are not my master, then who is? And who are you, if not my > master? You are my guru, you are my guardian angel, you will pity me > and release me from my sins!" He started sobbing and crying again. > > We all sat silent, overcome with pity. Only Bhagavan looked alert and > matter-of-fact. > > Bh: "If I am your guru, what are my fees? Surely you should pay me > for my services." > D: "But you won't take anything," cried the visitor. "What can I give > you?" > Bh: "Did I ever say that I don't take anything? And did you ever ask > me what you can give me?" > D: "If you would take, then ask me. There is nothing I would not give > you." > Bh: "All right. Now I am asking. Give me. What will you give me?" > D: "Take anything, all is yours." > Bh: "Then give me all the good you have done in this world." > D: "What good could I have done? I have not a single virtue to my > credit" > Bh: "You have promised to give. Now give. Don't talk of your credit. > Just give away all the good you have done in your past." > D: "Yes, I shall give. But how does one give? Tell me how the giving > is done and I shall give." > Bh: "Say like this: 'All the good I have done in the past I am giving > away entirely to my guru. Henceforth I have no merit from it nor have > I any concern with it.' Say it with your whole heart." > D: "All right, Swami, I am giving away to you all the good I have > done so far, if I have done any, and all its good effects. I am > giving it to you gladly, for you are my master and you are asking me > to give it all away to you." > Bh: "But this is not enough," said Bhagavan sternly. > D: "I gave you all I have and all you asked me to give. I have > nothing more to give." > Bh: "No, you have. Give me all your sins." > D: The man looked wildly at Bhagavan, terror stricken. "You do not > know, Swami, what you are asking for. If you knew, you would not ask > me. If you take over my sins, your body will rot and burn. You do not > know me, you do not know my sins. Please do not ask me for my sins." > And he wept bitterly. > Bh: "I shall look after myself, don't you worry about me," said > Bhagavan. "All I want from you is your sins." > > For a long time the bargain would not go through. The man refused to > part with his sins. But Bhagavan was adamant. > > Bh: "Either give me your sins along with your merits, or keep both > and don't think of me as your master." > > In the end the visitor's scruples broke down and he > declared: "Whatever sins I have done, they are no longer mine. All of > them and their results, too, belong to Ramana." > > Bhagavan seemed to be satisfied. "From now on there is no good nor > bad in you. You are just pure. Go and do nothing, neither good nor > bad. Remain yourself, remain what you are." > > A great peace fell over the man and over us all. No one knows what > happened to the fortunate visitor; he was never seen in the Ashram > again. He might have been in no further need of coming. > > Hari Aum !!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 Dear Vikram: I thought is was great too. I sometimes worry about my sins also. Viorica said that it came from The Maharshi Newsletter Jul/Aug 1998 : That is all I know about it. Maybe some knowledgeable members can give the original source if there is one. We just had a philoloshy professor over for dinner. We used to meditate with him at the Zen center. I jokingly send him an email signed Swami Alton and he asked how I got that title. My question to anyone is how does one get the title Swami. Not that I am an aspiring swami but just to know about it? All I aspire to is to be able to place my attention on the attention so it eats itself up. However I wont eat my heart out trying as I am a new vegetarian you know. Loving Sri Ramana, aka Alton RamanaMaharshi, "vikramrmehta" <vikramrmehta> wrote: > Dear Alton, > Hari Om. > Reading this posting was a very moving experience. It brings to life > the Maharshi's infinite love. > Somehow, I've read dozens of books on the maharshi, but have never > come across this episode. Do you have any idea, in which book does it > appear? > > Regards, > > Vikram. > ************************** > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi was most tender with people who thought > > themselves for some reason or other to be miserable sinners and who > > went to him torn by repentance. > > > > During summer evenings we used to sit in the open space near the > > well. We would collect in the dining hall for dinner and come back > to > > the well. Suddenly, one day, a visitor started weeping bitterly, "I > > am a horrible sinner. For a long time I have been coming to your > > feet, but there is no change in me. Can I become pure at last? How > > long am I to wait? When I am here near you I am good for a time, > but > > when I leave this place I become a beast again. You cannot imagine > > how bad I can be-hardly a human being. Am I to remain a sinner > > forever?" > > > > > > Bhagavan answered: "Why do you come to me? What have I to do with > > you? What is there between us that you should come here and weep > and > > cry in front of me?" > > > > The man started moaning and crying even more, as if his heart were > > breaking. "All my hopes of salvation are gone. You were my last > > refuge and you say you have nothing to do with me! To whom shall I > > turn now? What am I to do? To whom am I to go?" > > > > Bhagavan watched him for some time and said, "Am I your guru that I > > should be responsible for your salvation? Have I ever said that I > am > > your master?" > > > > "If you are not my master, then who is? And who are you, if not my > > master? You are my guru, you are my guardian angel, you will pity > me > > and release me from my sins!" He started sobbing and crying again. > > > > We all sat silent, overcome with pity. Only Bhagavan looked alert > and > > matter-of-fact. > > > > Bh: "If I am your guru, what are my fees? Surely you should pay me > > for my services." > > D: "But you won't take anything," cried the visitor. "What can I > give > > you?" > > Bh: "Did I ever say that I don't take anything? And did you ever > ask > > me what you can give me?" > > D: "If you would take, then ask me. There is nothing I would not > give > > you." > > Bh: "All right. Now I am asking. Give me. What will you give me?" > > D: "Take anything, all is yours." > > Bh: "Then give me all the good you have done in this world." > > D: "What good could I have done? I have not a single virtue to my > > credit" > > Bh: "You have promised to give. Now give. Don't talk of your > credit. > > Just give away all the good you have done in your past." > > D: "Yes, I shall give. But how does one give? Tell me how the > giving > > is done and I shall give." > > Bh: "Say like this: 'All the good I have done in the past I am > giving > > away entirely to my guru. Henceforth I have no merit from it nor > have > > I any concern with it.' Say it with your whole heart." > > D: "All right, Swami, I am giving away to you all the good I have > > done so far, if I have done any, and all its good effects. I am > > giving it to you gladly, for you are my master and you are asking > me > > to give it all away to you." > > Bh: "But this is not enough," said Bhagavan sternly. > > D: "I gave you all I have and all you asked me to give. I have > > nothing more to give." > > Bh: "No, you have. Give me all your sins." > > D: The man looked wildly at Bhagavan, terror stricken. "You do not > > know, Swami, what you are asking for. If you knew, you would not > ask > > me. If you take over my sins, your body will rot and burn. You do > not > > know me, you do not know my sins. Please do not ask me for my > sins." > > And he wept bitterly. > > Bh: "I shall look after myself, don't you worry about me," said > > Bhagavan. "All I want from you is your sins." > > > > For a long time the bargain would not go through. The man refused > to > > part with his sins. But Bhagavan was adamant. > > > > Bh: "Either give me your sins along with your merits, or keep both > > and don't think of me as your master." > > > > In the end the visitor's scruples broke down and he > > declared: "Whatever sins I have done, they are no longer mine. All > of > > them and their results, too, belong to Ramana." > > > > Bhagavan seemed to be satisfied. "From now on there is no good nor > > bad in you. You are just pure. Go and do nothing, neither good nor > > bad. Remain yourself, remain what you are." > > > > A great peace fell over the man and over us all. No one knows what > > happened to the fortunate visitor; he was never seen in the Ashram > > again. He might have been in no further need of coming. > > > > Hari Aum !!! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 The story is written by Krishna Bhikshu, the Telugu biographer of Sri Ramana, found also in Ramana Smrti Souvenir, 1st ed. 1980, which is a collection of articles from different writers about Sri Ramana. RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > Dear Vikram: > I thought is was great too. I sometimes worry about my sins also. > Viorica said that it came from > The Maharshi Newsletter Jul/Aug 1998 : That is all I know about it. > Maybe some knowledgeable members can give the original source if > there is one. > of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 Dear Gabriele, Thanks for the info. -Vikram. *********************************** RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > The story is written by Krishna Bhikshu, the Telugu biographer of Sri > Ramana, found also in Ramana Smrti Souvenir, 1st ed. 1980, which is a > collection of articles from different writers about Sri Ramana. > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear Vikram: > > I thought is was great too. I sometimes worry about my sins also. > > Viorica said that it came from > > The Maharshi Newsletter Jul/Aug 1998 : That is all I know about it. > > Maybe some knowledgeable members can give the original source if > > there is one. > > > of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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