Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 --- --- > Erwin Schroedinger (1887 - 1961) was a mystic as well as a scientist, > but never claimed that the former could explain the latter, or visa > versa. Philosopher Ken Wilber published a few of Schroedinger's > essays, one of which "Why Not Talk Physics?, has a chapter > entitled "Science cannot touch it", including the famous statement > regarding religion in general but more specifically, the mysticism of > Schroedinger and other prominant quantum pioneers: "Whence come I and > whiter go I? That is the great unfathomable question, the same for > every one of us. Science has no answer to it" That Schroedinger's > worldview is mystical rather than involving a Monotheistic Creator > Deity is quite clear since he defines "God" as "the great Unity" > [i.e. the totality of the universe itself, Brahman]. The Brahman > theory is mystical, true; but mystics are found in all the major > religions and the word "Brahman" is restricted to Monist (rather than > Vaisnava) Hinduism. Lest the reader get confused with such terms, we > have Google to come to our aid, for example, the Internet > Encyclopedia of Philsophy is a fine introduction, but simply plug in > some of the very same words Schroedinger uses such as "Brahman,' > or "Upanishads" to find out what he's talking about. Let's see what > the great genius ofk quantum physics has to say about God: > > Page 84 of Wilber's book, Schroedinger's essay "Why Not Talk > Physics?": "Science is reticent too when it is a question of the > great Unity--the One of Parmenides--of which we all somehow form > part, to which we belong". [stop here...my comment: what > Schroedinger is talking about in regard to us being parts of the > great Unity expresses two properties of the Brahman concept, at > least: 1. Brahman is absolutely immanent in and as nature itself; > thus being the class of all sets, there's nothing "outside" of > Brahman. Brahman is the totality, by definition but is not simply > the sum of infinite numbers of "things". The Totality, as addressed > by the mystic assumes an altogether different set of properties > described by the Hindu mystic as the 3-fold mystery: SAT, CHIT, and > ANANDA: Truth, Consciousness, and Bliss. Therefore, the goal of > mysticism is to merge into the great Unity, and experience directly > the immanent properties: Truth, Consciousness, and Bliss. 2. Brahman > is an ABSOLUTE CONTINUUM, i.e. only Consciousness exists, with all of > the apparent objects of nature being but waves in the Ocean of > Consciousness, or "Being-in-Itself". Again, this is experiential, in > the domain of mystical experience, unapproachable by thought alone > since the Entity here "the great Unity" is both transcendental and > immanent in nature, thoughts included. (transcendental to ordinary > modes of awareness).... We have confronted here an important > paradox: that of the One and the many.....something Plato wrote > about;; i.e. if the universe is a great Unity, how do > apparent "many's" arise? Schroedinger, like other mystics, basically > says that that's the mystery of mysticism! (something that people > have to experience for themselves, but you won't necessarily find > people with the answers to this riddle of the One and the many in > academic circles.. Schroedinger points us to the appropriate > direction in regard to literary sources on this topic: the UPANISHADS > (Plug that into Google). On the Upanishads, he says,.... > > "There is obviously only one alterntive, namely the unification of > minds or consciousness. Their multiplicity is only apparent, in > truth, there is only one mind" page 87 of Wilber's book. Then, he > states "This is the doctrine of the Upanishads. And not only of the > Upanishads. The mystically experienced union iwth God regularly > entails this attitude unless it is opposed by strong existing > prejudices; this means that is less easily accepted in the West than > in the East. Let me quote, as an example outside the Upanishads, an > Islamic-Persian mystic of the 13th century, Azia Nasafi.": > > "On the death of any living creature the spirit returns to the > spiritual world, the body to the bodily world. In this however only > the bodies are subject to change. The spiritual world is one single > spirit who stands like unto a light behind the bodily world and who, > when any single creature comes into being, shines through it as > through a window. According to the kind and size of the window less > or more light enters the world. The light itself however remains > unchanged. " That's enough of Schroedinge for now...more later. > Below, I'm inserting some quotes by Ramana Maharshi on Brahman.: --- : > --- The following discourse on Brahman is from Bhagavan (Ramana Maharshi);...see http://www.arunachala.org while an excerpt on the Upanishads follows, which can be seen at http://www.hindunet.org/upanishads > > Zamindarini: > Should one look upon the world as Brahman or > should one look upon one's own Self as the most > important? > > Bhagavan: > We exist. And the world is Brahman itself. > What then is there to look upon as Brahman?" > > She was taken aback and stood still. Whereupon Bhagavan > looked at her compassionaltely and explained further: > > "As you know we undoubtedly exist. The world also exists > as Brahman. That being so, what is there that one could see > as Brahman? We should make our vision as the all-pervading > Brahman. Ancients say, 'Drishtim Jnanamayim Kritva Pasyeth > Brahmamayam Jagat'. The world is as we see it. If we see it as > material, it is material. If we see it as Brahman, it is Brahman. > That is why we must change our outlook. Can you see the > picture in a film without the screen? If we remain as we are, > everything adjusts itself to that attitude." > > Overjoyed at this and fully satisfied, she came out and sat > on the step on the verandah which is opposite to Bhagavan's > couch. Bhagavan was sitting on the couch in his characteristic > pose, silent as usual and with a smile on his face. Looking at > the radiant face of Bhagavan, she said involuntarily, "Ah! How > beautiful Bhagavan is!" > A devotee who heard the exclamation approached Bhagavan > and said, "She is saying how beautiful Bhagavan is." > With a slight nod of his head Bhagavan said, "Sivam Sundaram". > (Sivam Sundaram means that which is beautiful in the form of > Atma, Satyam-Sivam-Sundaram and Sat-Chit-Andanda are > the names given to describe Atman or Brahman.) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Nagamma: Letters, entry 20th Sept. 1949 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > [Non-text portions of this --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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