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November 5, 2002

Guruevents, "qntmpkt" <qntmpkt> wrote:

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Thanks, but J. Krishnamurti was not without his own

personal "demons", specifically a long-standing squabble with a

friend, Rajagopalacharya,; which turned very sour over the years,

even vicious. (seems property was involved, as well as a

female)....My conclusion: as long as one has a body, there are

desires. (this is a biological imperative, with extensions into the

social realm: avoid pain, gain pleasure, protect property, argue over

mates, etc,...the old "cave-man" stuff). ...qntmpkt..

a love trai- In TMNEWS, "wordygurdy" <wordygurdy> wrote:

> "Meditation is danger for it destroys everything, nothing

whatsoever

> is left, not even a whisper of desire, and in this vast,

unfathomable

> emptiness there is creation and love."

> --Krishnamurti's Notebook, p.110

>

> http://www.jiddukrishnamurti.info/

--- End forwarded message ---

November 5, 2002

Dear qntmpkt..

Shall we conclude that there is only one pure soul named Sri Bhagavan

Ramana? I have come to that conclusion after investigating many Gurus.

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya,

Nessuno

RamanaMaharshi, "qntmpkt" <qntmpkt> wrote:

> Guruevents, "qntmpkt" <qntmpkt> wrote:

> ---

> --

>

> Thanks, but J. Krishnamurti was not without his own

> personal "demons", specifically a long-standing squabble with a

> friend, Rajagopalacharya,; which turned very sour over the years,

> even vicious. (seems property was involved, as well as a

> female)....My conclusion: as long as one has a body, there are

> desires. (this is a biological imperative, with extensions into the

> social realm: avoid pain, gain pleasure, protect property, argue

over

> mates, etc,...the old "cave-man" stuff). ...qntmpkt..

>

> a love trai- In TMNEWS, "wordygurdy" <wordygurdy> wrote:

> > "Meditation is danger for it destroys everything, nothing

> whatsoever

> > is left, not even a whisper of desire, and in this vast,

> unfathomable

> > emptiness there is creation and love."

> > --Krishnamurti's Notebook, p.110

> >

> > http://www.jiddukrishnamurti.info/

> --- End forwarded message ---

November 5, 2002

---To Alton: Thanks, my conclusion is the same. I reposted the

message on Krishnamurti from another group. However, I posted it here

to make a point regarding the relationship between moral behavior and

Enlightenment. : from Ramana's example -- totally impeccable

qualities of character, absolutely humble; etc; from him alone,

people might form the conclusion that Enlightenment is to be

automatically equated with upright moral behavior. As a result of

decades of experience collecting information on various Gurus; my

conclusion is that there's not necessarily a direct connection

between Enlightenment and moral behavior; and in fact, that an

Enlightened person can perform "evil" acts ; i.e. acts so egregiously

offensive to common standards of proper behavior that there's no

question as to the malefic nature of the acts. I'm talking about

actual felonies. I don't want to argue regarding which Gurus are the

offenders, but you can take my word for it. Such cases exist.

There seems to be a great prooccupation in this forum (even more so

in Harshasatsangh) to simply quote Ramana and the story is realize

your essential nature: end of story. An extreme version of this would

be Ramesh Balsekar and certain "Advaitins" going around saying "I

don't know and I don't care". Let's face it: people do suffer. The

body, though "illusory" is greatly pained by "illusory"

cancer, "illusory" scorpions, killer bees,, or whatever.

Sunday I was watching a National Geographic on giant hornets in

Japan. They featured the story of a gardiner minding his own

business, basically; but he turned on a motorized weed killer which

set of a loud noise and vibrations a hundred yards away , at the site

of a next of giant Japanese hornets. They didn't like getting upset,

so viciously attacked the gardener who died within about 15 minutes.

But even afterwards, the poison from the stings ate away his face,

and he had no face left after a day.

There are certain obvious facts about life that many people seem to

ignore: Ramakrishna: cancer: Ramana, cancer; Jean Klein, stroke,

lived like a vegetable for at least a year before dying; Ram Dass,

stroke....on and on; but the message seems to be (per Ramesh

Balsekar): no problem!. Killer bees,, cancer, no problem!. Home

invader coming into your house, killing your entire family? No

problem! Just ignore the situation and get enlightened!. Car

highjacker? No problem! It's just fate...just continue driving and

doing your Self-Inquiry. Body getting old, getting Alzheimer's? No

problem, just do the Self-Inquiry. Just repeat the mantra of Ramesh

Balsekar "I don't know and I don't care" (....seems to "work" in

every situation!!). ...Matrix Monitor

In RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Dear qntmpkt..

> Shall we conclude that there is only one pure soul named Sri

Bhagavan

> Ramana? I have come to that conclusion after investigating many

Gurus.

> Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya,

> Nessuno

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "qntmpkt" <qntmpkt> wrote:

> > Guruevents, "qntmpkt" <qntmpkt> wrote:

> > ---

> > --

> >

> > Thanks, but J. Krishnamurti was not without his own

> > personal "demons", specifically a long-standing squabble with a

> > friend, Rajagopalacharya,; which turned very sour over the years,

> > even vicious. (seems property was involved, as well as a

> > female)....My conclusion: as long as one has a body, there are

> > desires. (this is a biological imperative, with extensions into

the

> > social realm: avoid pain, gain pleasure, protect property, argue

> over

> > mates, etc,...the old "cave-man" stuff). ...qntmpkt..

> >

> > a love trai- In TMNEWS, "wordygurdy" <wordygurdy> wrote:

> > > "Meditation is danger for it destroys everything, nothing

> > whatsoever

> > > is left, not even a whisper of desire, and in this vast,

> > unfathomable

> > > emptiness there is creation and love."

> > > --Krishnamurti's Notebook, p.110

> > >

> > > http://www.jiddukrishnamurti.info/

> > --- End forwarded message ---

November 5, 2002

Dear Gary , in fairness to Ramesh [who regards himself as a devotee of Ramana }

his expression is

'Who Cares ? ' this is not meant to be the colloquial expression ,' who the hell

cares ' , but

'see who cares ?'- , a form of Self Enquiry .regards Alan

P.S.Ramana Maharshi and Ramakrishna in my oppinion are the most exemplary Sages

- their vasanas

had totally burned out and were harmless .Other Enlightened Beings can have an

awakening but the

vasanas may be still active and it takes a process of widening and deepening

until they are

totally extinguished .Ramana is reported to have said this in one of the Letters

of Naghahma but I

have temporally mislaid my copy , and have no doubt spelled her name wrong too.

--- matrixmonitor <matrixmonitor wrote:

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