Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 --- Access the WIE article at http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp then tell me what you think. Chris Parish, the interviewer, calls Balsekar's form of Advaitic Nihilism "madness". I agree. What's YOUR opinion? Here's a paste-in of the epilogue: EPILOGUE As I stumbled past the doorman and out into the bustling Bombay streets, my mind was reeling. How could it be, I asked myself as I made my way through the crowd, that an intelligent, educated man like Ramesh Balsekar could really believe that everything is predestined, that before we are even born, our fate is already etched in a kind of ethereal granite? Could he really be serious in his insistence that our entire life, with its seemingly endless stream of choices and decisions, of precarious opportunities to set our own course for better or for worse, is actually, from the first breath, a fait accompli? While I traversed the sidewalk in search of a café in which to find respite from the chaos, the difficult turns of our brief dialogue swirled in my head. Yes, "Thy will be done" is the essence of at least most religions, I thought to myself, but for the great mystics and sages who have made such utterances throughout history, surrender to the will of God has meant far more than simply accepting that there is nothing anyone can do to affect the circumstances of their life. Surely what has been traditionally referred to as "God's will" is that which one discovers when one has absolutely given up the ego, when all self-centered motives have been extinguished, leaving one utterly surrendered to doing God's will, whatever it may be! For Jesus or Ramakrishna or Ramana Maharshi to say he was surrendered to God's will was one thing. But to say that this is true of everyone seemed at that moment to reflect a peculiar and even dangerous form of madnessand one which could be used to justify the most extreme forms of behavior. Balsekar's statement, "What you think you should do in any situation . . . is precisely what God wants you to think you should do," means that to him the enlightened Buddha is no more doing the will of God than the serial killer who is attacking his next victim. I had come into the interview expecting some disagreement, but somehow even Balsekar's booksin which all of these ideas are clearly and repeatedly expressedhad not prepared me for my encounter with the man himself. How had he come up with them? I wondered. And why? Around and around my thoughts went, recalling everything from his chilling claim that even when we hurt someone, we need not feel guilty, for we are not responsible for our actionsthat even "Hitler was merely the instrument through which the horrible events that had to take place, took place"to his assertion, defying all common sense, that we have no power to control our behavior or even to influence the behavior of others. And all of this in the context of his science- fiction description of each of us as "body/mind organisms" acting out our "programming." Suddenly the welcome sight of a tea shop appeared through the smog, and as I made my way inside, I was relieved to find the kind of quiet oasis for which I had hoped. It was there, at one of the many empty tables, as the first sip of sickly sweet milk tea passed across my lips that, in a flash, it hit me. I was not drinking the tea! I was not sitting at the table! In fact, I was not the one who had entered the tea shop. And I was not the one who had just been tormented for an hour in discussion with a man who at that moment was beginning to seem like the sane one. In fact, it had never been me doing anything. It was as if a burden I had been carrying for my entire life was suddenly lifted into the sky by a hot air balloon, whisked away, never to return again. All those years I had struggled to be a better, more honest and generous human beingall that effort I had made to renounce my tendencies toward superiority, selfishness and aggressionhad all been a folly, all foolishly, needlessly based on the self-important idea that I had some control over my own destiny, and the petty presumption that what I did to "others" ever mattered anyway. How could I have been so misguided? But wait, it wasn't even me who was misguided! As if through parting clouds, clearly now I could suddenly see that what I had thought of as "my life" had in fact been only a mechanical process. The person I had thought I was was just a machine. And the world in which I thought I had been living was not, as I had assumed, a world of human complexity, but one of mechanistic simplicity, of perfect order, a mathematical playing out of programs in motion since the beginning of time. As the clinical perfection of God's scientific plan started to open up before me, the ecstatic thrill of absolute freedomfrom worry, from care, from obligation, from guiltbegan to rush through my veins like a torrent of undammed rivers. And with it came an enveloping, resounding peace, an absolute cessation of tension, in the recognition that no matter what apparent ambiguity or uncertainty I might encounter thereafter, no matter what seemingly difficult decisions I might face, I could always rest assured that whatever choice I made was exactly the choice God wanted me to make. The mysterious sense of an Unknown that had tugged at me for so long had evaporated. The others in the café turned their heads as I laughed out loud, a long belly laugh, and mused to myself what a fantastical game life would be if everyone understood how it all really works, if everyone could at least get a glimpse of how free we could be, if we all lived on Planet Advaita. [back to table of contents] order this issue to WIE email this link to a friend --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Dear Gary , I feel you should be very careful in your criticism of Ramesh .The article you quote appeared in Andrew Cohen's magazine which is a strange eclectic mix of dualism and non dualism,and is biased against Ramesh's categorical,absolute non-dualism .Have you read any of Ramesh's own written books such as "Duet for One'or "The Final Truth" for example ? .I have met Ramesh , like Alton , have you ? He teaches an unequivical surrender to God's Will which eventually leads to anobsessive practice of Self Enquiry .This is my own experience .According to' Enlightenment an Outbreak' and ' Like An Immovable Rock' there have been many people who have received the' understanding ' , the term he uses for 'awakening '.Probably more people have received the experience of the dissolution of 'the me' through him than any other contemporary Teacher , to my knowledge .Ramesh was given permission to teach by Nisargadatar,from whom he received the understanding, and says he is a devotee of Ramana who was his first spritual inspiration .He pays obeisance to Ramana every day 7 days a week before giving a Satsang which he has done for over 20 years .Thousands of seekers have visited him and have their intellectual problems and doubts resolved , and many have found peace in his presence .I can understand you wish to reject the total abnegation of egotism as he does if you have a plan to gain a siddha or convert people to Ramana .The Maharshi's Teaching is an organic growth , your efforts smack of 'personal doership' rather than giving that up and gaining your own Realisation which can be found through Ramana's Surrender and Self Enquiry and then allowing this influence of 'impersonal doership' to spread without a campaign .If you haven't been to see him , it maybe a good idea before you level an attack based on a spurious magazine article .But you had better hurry up as he is 85 and says he is at the "check in " Regards , Alan --- matrixmonitor <matrixmonitor wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> --- <BR> Access the WIE article at <a href="http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp">http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp</a>&nbs\ p; then tell <BR> me what you think. Chris Parish, the interviewer, calls Balsekar's <BR> form of Advaitic Nihilism "madness". I agree. What's YOUR opinion? <BR> Here's a paste-in of the epilogue:<BR> <BR> <BR> EPILOGUE<BR> As I stumbled past the doorman and out into the bustling Bombay <BR> streets, my mind was reeling. How could it be, I asked myself as I <BR> made my way through the crowd, that an intelligent, educated man like <BR> Ramesh Balsekar could really believe that everything is predestined, <BR> that before we are even born, our fate is already etched in a kind of <BR> ethereal granite? Could he really be serious in his insistence that <BR> our entire life, with its seemingly endless stream of choices and <BR> decisions, of precarious opportunities to set our own course for <BR> better or for worse, is actually, from the first breath, a fait <BR> accompli? While I traversed the sidewalk in search of a café in which <BR> to find respite from the chaos, the difficult turns of our brief <BR> dialogue swirled in my head. Yes, "Thy will be done" is the essence <BR> of at least most religions, I thought to myself, but for the great <BR> mystics and sages who have made such utterances throughout history, <BR> surrender to the will of God has meant far more than simply accepting <BR> that there is nothing anyone can do to affect the circumstances of <BR> their life. Surely what has been traditionally referred to as "God's <BR> will" is that which one discovers when one has absolutely given up <BR> the ego, when all self-centered motives have been extinguished, <BR> leaving one utterly surrendered to doing God's will, whatever it may <BR> be! For Jesus or Ramakrishna or Ramana Maharshi to say he was <BR> surrendered to God's will was one thing. But to say that this is true <BR> of everyone seemed at that moment to reflect a peculiar and even <BR> dangerous form of madnessand one which could be used to justify the <BR> most extreme forms of behavior. Balsekar's statement, "What you think <BR> you should do in any situation . . . is precisely what God wants you <BR> to think you should do," means that to him the enlightened Buddha is <BR> no more doing the will of God than the serial killer who is attacking <BR> his next victim.<BR> I had come into the interview expecting some disagreement, but <BR> somehow even Balsekar's booksin which all of these ideas are clearly <BR> and repeatedly expressedhad not prepared me for my encounter with the <BR> man himself. How had he come up with them? I wondered. And why? <BR> Around and around my thoughts went, recalling everything from his <BR> chilling claim that even when we hurt someone, we need not feel <BR> guilty, for we are not responsible for our actionsthat even "Hitler <BR> was merely the instrument through which the horrible events that had <BR> to take place, took place"to his assertion, defying all common sense, <BR> that we have no power to control our behavior or even to influence <BR> the behavior of others. And all of this in the context of his science-<BR> fiction description of each of us as "body/mind organisms" acting out <BR> our "programming."<BR> Suddenly the welcome sight of a tea shop appeared through the smog, <BR> and as I made my way inside, I was relieved to find the kind of quiet <BR> oasis for which I had hoped. It was there, at one of the many empty <BR> tables, as the first sip of sickly sweet milk tea passed across my <BR> lips that, in a flash, it hit me. I was not drinking the tea! I was <BR> not sitting at the table! In fact, I was not the one who had entered <BR> the tea shop. And I was not the one who had just been tormented for <BR> an hour in discussion with a man who at that moment was beginning to <BR> seem like the sane one. In fact, it had never been me doing anything. <BR> It was as if a burden I had been carrying for my entire life was <BR> suddenly lifted into the sky by a hot air balloon, whisked away, <BR> never to return again. All those years I had struggled to be a <BR> better, more honest and generous human beingall that effort I had <BR> made to renounce my tendencies toward superiority, selfishness and <BR> aggressionhad all been a folly, all foolishly, needlessly based on <BR> the self-important idea that I had some control over my own destiny, <BR> and the petty presumption that what I did to "others" ever mattered <BR> anyway. How could I have been so misguided? But wait, it wasn't even <BR> me who was misguided! As if through parting clouds, clearly now I <BR> could suddenly see that what I had thought of as "my life" had in <BR> fact been only a mechanical process. The person I had thought I was <BR> was just a machine. And the world in which I thought I had been <BR> living was not, as I had assumed, a world of human complexity, but <BR> one of mechanistic simplicity, of perfect order, a mathematical <BR> playing out of programs in motion since the beginning of time.<BR> As the clinical perfection of God's scientific plan started to open <BR> up before me, the ecstatic thrill of absolute freedomfrom worry, from <BR> care, from obligation, from guiltbegan to rush through my veins like <BR> a torrent of undammed rivers. And with it came an enveloping, <BR> resounding peace, an absolute cessation of tension, in the <BR> recognition that no matter what apparent ambiguity or uncertainty I <BR> might encounter thereafter, no matter what seemingly difficult <BR> decisions I might face, I could always rest assured that whatever <BR> choice I made was exactly the choice God wanted me to make. The <BR> mysterious sense of an Unknown that had tugged at me for so long had <BR> evaporated. The others in the café turned their heads as I laughed <BR> out loud, a long belly laugh, and mused to myself what a fantastical <BR> game life would be if everyone understood how it all really works, if <BR> everyone could at least get a glimpse of how free we could be, if we <BR> all lived on Planet Advaita. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> [back to table of contents] <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> order this issue<BR> <BR> to WIE<BR> <BR> email this link to a friend<BR> --- End forwarded message ---<BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <tt> <BR> Post message: RamanaMaharshi <BR> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> Un: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner <BR> <BR> Shortcut URL to this page:<BR> <a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi"> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dear Alan and Gary: Maybe I just dont get it, but this journey is not about finding fault with anyone; just working on the quest to detach from that which is an appearance and seeking that which is eternal. Aloha Om Namo Bhavagate Sri Ramana, Bewußtsein aka Alton RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > Dear Gary , I feel you should be very careful in your criticism of Ramesh .The article you quote > appeared in Andrew Cohen's magazine which is a strange eclectic mix of dualism and non dualism,and > is biased against Ramesh's categorical,absolute non-dualism .Have you read any of Ramesh's own > written books such as "Duet for One'or "The Final Truth" for example ? .I have met Ramesh , like > Alton , have you ? He teaches an unequivical surrender to God's Will which eventually leads to > anobsessive practice of Self Enquiry .This is my own experience .According to' Enlightenment an > Outbreak' and ' Like An Immovable Rock' there have been many people who have received the' > understanding ' , the term he uses for 'awakening '.Probably more people have received the > experience of the dissolution of 'the me' through him than any other contemporary Teacher , to my > knowledge .Ramesh was given permission to teach by Nisargadatar,from whom he received the > understanding, and says he is a devotee of Ramana who was his first spritual inspiration .He pays > obeisance to Ramana every day 7 days a week before giving a Satsang which he has done for over > 20 years .Thousands of seekers have visited him and have their intellectual problems and doubts > resolved , and many have found peace in his presence .I can understand you wish to reject the > total abnegation of egotism as he does if you have a plan to gain a siddha or convert people to > Ramana .The Maharshi's Teaching is an organic growth , your efforts smack of 'personal doership' > rather than giving that up and gaining your own Realisation which can be found through Ramana's > Surrender and Self Enquiry and then allowing this influence of 'impersonal doership' to spread > without a campaign .If you haven't been to see him , it maybe a good idea before you level an > attack based on a spurious magazine article .But you had better hurry up as he is 85 and says he > is at the "check in " Regards , Alan > > > > --- matrixmonitor <matrixmonitor> wrote: > <HR> > <html><body> > > > <tt> > --- <BR> > Access the WIE article at <a > href="http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp"> > Terms of Service</a>.</tt> > </br> > > </body></html> > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dear Gary, once I have met Ramesh Balsekar and have read several of his books, so I only can agree whith what Alan has said. But what does all this matter in the face of our daily sadhana we have to do? It is absolutely not about who is right and who is wrong - endless mind game. It is only - only about "Who you are". If we find full trust in Sadguru Ramana or another great teacher that is sufficient and we can do our sadhana peacefully without all that mental argueing, and dive in understanding of the teaching. Otherwise this is not possible. In Sri Ramana Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "matrixmonitor" <matrixmonitor> wrote: > --- > Access the WIE article at http://www.wie ..org/j14/balse.asp then tell > me what you think. Chris Parish, the interviewer, calls Balsekar's > form of Advaitic Nihilism "madness". I agree. What's YOUR opinion? > Here's a paste-in of the epilogue: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dear Alton , I quite agree but sometimes there is a need to defend a teacher from an unwarranted attack . Re.your question on Self Enquiry .I find putting the attention on awareness leads to Self Enquiry ..For me I find that the question then pops up "who is aware of the awareness " and everything dissolves in the Heart .Now I find after much diving with breath restraint that Enquiry just arises spontaneously often when in devotional mood .After all isn't Self Enquiry searching for the Lost Beloved peeking behid the veil ? Must go now as we have a Ramana Maharshi Satsang this afternoon - and the theme is devotion .About 35 of the London Hard Core will be there .All love . In Him , Alan --- Alton Slater <leenalton wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Dear Alan and Gary:<BR> Maybe I just dont get it, but this journey is not about finding fault <BR> with anyone; just working on the quest to detach from that which is <BR> an appearance and seeking that which is eternal.<BR> Aloha <BR> Om Namo Bhavagate Sri Ramana,<BR> Bewußtsein aka Alton<BR> <BR> <BR> RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:<BR> > Dear Gary , I feel you should be very careful in your criticism of <BR> Ramesh .The article you quote <BR> > appeared in Andrew Cohen's magazine which is a strange eclectic mix <BR> of dualism and non dualism,and<BR> > is biased against Ramesh's categorical,absolute non-dualism .Have <BR> you read any of Ramesh's own<BR> > written books such as "Duet for One'or "The Final Truth" for <BR> example ? .I have met Ramesh , like<BR> > Alton , have you ? He teaches an unequivical surrender to God's <BR> Will which eventually leads to<BR> > anobsessive practice of Self Enquiry .This is my own <BR> experience .According to' Enlightenment an<BR> > Outbreak' and ' Like An Immovable Rock' there have been many people <BR> who have received the'<BR> > understanding ' , the term he uses for 'awakening '.Probably more <BR> people have received the<BR> > experience of the dissolution of 'the me' through him than any <BR> other contemporary Teacher , to my<BR> > knowledge .Ramesh was given permission to teach by <BR> Nisargadatar,from whom he received the<BR> > understanding, and says he is a devotee of Ramana who was his first <BR> spritual inspiration .He pays<BR> > obeisance to Ramana every day 7 days a week before giving a <BR> Satsang which he has done for over<BR> > 20 years .Thousands of seekers have visited him and have their <BR> intellectual problems and doubts<BR> > resolved , and many have found peace in his presence .I can <BR> understand you wish to reject the<BR> > total abnegation of egotism as he does if you have a plan to gain a <BR> siddha or convert people to<BR> > Ramana .The Maharshi's Teaching is an organic growth , your <BR> efforts smack of 'personal doership'<BR> > rather than giving that up and gaining your own Realisation which <BR> can be found through Ramana's<BR> > Surrender and Self Enquiry and then allowing this influence <BR> of 'impersonal doership' to spread<BR> > without a campaign .If you haven't been to see him , it maybe a <BR> good idea before you level an<BR> > attack based on a spurious magazine article .But you had better <BR> hurry up as he is 85 and says he<BR> > is at the "check in " Regards , Alan <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > --- matrixmonitor <matrixmonitor> wrote: <BR> > <HR><BR> > <html><body><BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <tt><BR> > --- <BR><BR> > Access the WIE article at <a<BR> > <BR> href="<a href="http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp'>http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp">http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp'>http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.asp</a>&quo\ t;><a href="http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.a">http://www.wie.org/j14/balse.a</a><BR> sp</a> then tell <BR><BR> > me what you think. Chris Parish, the interviewer, calls Balsekar's <BR> <BR><BR> > form of Advaitic Nihilism "madness". I agree. <BR> What's YOUR opinion? <BR><BR> > Here's a paste-in of the epilogue:<BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > EPILOGUE<BR><BR> > As I stumbled past the doorman and out into the bustling Bombay <BR><BR> > streets, my mind was reeling. How could it be, I asked myself as I <BR> <BR><BR> > made my way through the crowd, that an intelligent, educated man <BR> like <BR><BR> > Ramesh Balsekar could really believe that everything is <BR> predestined, <BR><BR> > that before we are even born, our fate is already etched in a kind <BR> of <BR><BR> > ethereal granite? Could he really be serious in his insistence that <BR> <BR><BR> > our entire life, with its seemingly endless stream of choices and <BR> <BR><BR> > decisions, of precarious opportunities to set our own course for <BR> <BR><BR> > better or for worse, is actually, from the first breath, a fait <BR><BR> > accompli? While I traversed the sidewalk in search of a café in <BR> which <BR><BR> > to find respite from the chaos, the difficult turns of our brief <BR> <BR><BR> > dialogue swirled in my head. Yes, "Thy will be done" is <BR> the essence <BR><BR> > of at least most religions, I thought to myself, but for the great <BR> <BR><BR> > mystics and sages who have made such utterances throughout history, <BR> <BR><BR> > surrender to the will of God has meant far more than simply <BR> accepting <BR><BR> > that there is nothing anyone can do to affect the circumstances of <BR> <BR><BR> > their life. Surely what has been traditionally referred to as <BR> "God's <BR><BR> > will" is that which one discovers when one has absolutely <BR> given up <BR><BR> > the ego, when all self-centered motives have been extinguished, <BR><BR> > leaving one utterly surrendered to doing God's will, whatever it <BR> may <BR><BR> > be! For Jesus or Ramakrishna or Ramana Maharshi to say he was <BR><BR> > surrendered to God's will was one thing. But to say that this is <BR> true <BR><BR> > of everyone seemed at that moment to reflect a peculiar and even <BR> <BR><BR> > dangerous form of madnessand one which could be used to justify the <BR> <BR><BR> > most extreme forms of behavior. Balsekar's statement, "What <BR> you think <BR><BR> > you should do in any situation . . . is precisely what God wants <BR> you <BR><BR> > to think you should do," means that to him the enlightened <BR> Buddha is <BR><BR> > no more doing the will of God than the serial killer who is <BR> attacking <BR><BR> > his next victim.<BR><BR> > I had come into the interview expecting some disagreement, but <BR><BR> > somehow even Balsekar's booksin which all of these ideas are <BR> clearly <BR><BR> > and repeatedly expressedhad not prepared me for my encounter with <BR> the <BR><BR> > man himself. How had he come up with them? I wondered. And why? <BR><BR> > Around and around my thoughts went, recalling everything from his <BR> <BR><BR> > chilling claim that even when we hurt someone, we need not feel <BR><BR> > guilty, for we are not responsible for our actionsthat even <BR> "Hitler <BR><BR> > was merely the instrument through which the horrible events that <BR> had <BR><BR> > to take place, took place"to his assertion, defying all common <BR> sense, <BR><BR> > that we have no power to control our behavior or even to influence <BR> <BR><BR> > the behavior of others. And all of this in the context of his <BR> science-<BR><BR> > fiction description of each of us as "body/mind <BR> organisms" acting out <BR><BR> > our "programming."<BR><BR> > Suddenly the welcome sight of a tea shop appeared through the smog, <BR> <BR><BR> > and as I made my way inside, I was relieved to find the kind of <BR> quiet <BR><BR> > oasis for which I had hoped. It was there, at one of the many empty <BR> <BR><BR> > tables, as the first sip of sickly sweet milk tea passed across my <BR> <BR><BR> > lips that, in a flash, it hit me. I was not drinking the tea! I was <BR> <BR><BR> > not sitting at the table! In fact, I was not the one who had <BR> entered <BR><BR> > the tea shop. And I was not the one who had just been tormented for <BR> <BR><BR> > an hour in discussion with a man who at that moment was beginning <BR> to <BR><BR> > seem like the sane one. In fact, it had never been me doing <BR> anything. <BR><BR> > It was as if a burden I had been carrying for my entire life was <BR> <BR><BR> > suddenly lifted into the sky by a hot air balloon, whisked away, <BR> <BR><BR> > never to return again. All those years I had struggled to be a <BR><BR> > better, more honest and generous human beingall that effort I had <BR> <BR><BR> > made to renounce my tendencies toward superiority, selfishness and <BR> <BR><BR> > aggressionhad all been a folly, all foolishly, needlessly based on <BR> <BR><BR> > the self-important idea that I had some control over my own <BR> destiny, <BR><BR> > and the petty presumption that what I did to "others" <BR> ever mattered <BR><BR> > anyway. How could I have been so misguided? But wait, it wasn't <BR> even <BR><BR> > me who was misguided! As if through parting clouds, clearly now I <BR> <BR><BR> > could suddenly see that what I had thought of as "my <BR> life" had in <BR><BR> > fact been only a mechanical process. The person I had thought I was <BR> <BR><BR> > was just a machine. And the world in which I thought I had been <BR><BR> > living was not, as I had assumed, a world of human complexity, but <BR> <BR><BR> > one of mechanistic simplicity, of perfect order, a mathematical <BR><BR> > playing out of programs in motion since the beginning of time.<BR><BR> > As the clinical perfection of God's scientific plan started to open <BR> <BR><BR> > up before me, the ecstatic thrill of absolute freedomfrom worry, <BR> from <BR><BR> > care, from obligation, from guiltbegan to rush through my veins <BR> like <BR><BR> > a torrent of undammed rivers. And with it came an enveloping, <BR><BR> > resounding peace, an absolute cessation of tension, in the <BR><BR> > recognition that no matter what apparent ambiguity or uncertainty I <BR> <BR><BR> > might encounter thereafter, no matter what seemingly difficult <BR><BR> > decisions I might face, I could always rest assured that whatever <BR> <BR><BR> > choice I made was exactly the choice God wanted me to make. The <BR><BR> > mysterious sense of an Unknown that had tugged at me for so long <BR> had <BR><BR> > evaporated. The others in the café turned their heads as I laughed <BR> <BR><BR> > out loud, a long belly laugh, and mused to myself what a <BR> fantastical <BR><BR> > game life would be if everyone understood how it all really works, <BR> if <BR><BR> > everyone could at least get a glimpse of how free we could be, if <BR> we <BR><BR> > all lived on Planet Advaita. <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > [back to table of contents] <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > order this issue<BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > to WIE<BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > email this link to a friend<BR><BR> > --- End forwarded message ---<BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > </tt><BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <br><BR> > <tt><BR> > <BR><BR> > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o...<BR><BR> > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-<BR> @o...<BR><BR> > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o...<BR><BR> > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o...<BR><BR> > <BR><BR> > Shortcut URL to this page:<BR><BR> > <a<BR> > <BR> href="<a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi"> uot;><BR> > Terms of Service</a>.</tt><BR> > </br><BR> > <BR> > </body></html><BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Everything you'll ever need on one web page<BR> > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts<BR> > <a href="http://uk.my.">http://uk.my.</a><BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <tt> <BR> Post message: RamanaMaharshi <BR> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> Un: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner <BR> <BR> Shortcut URL to this page:<BR> <a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi">/co\ mmunity/RamanaMaharshi</a></tt> <br> <br> <tt><a href=""> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. 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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dear Gabriele , couldn't agree more .Regards Alan --- gabriele_ebert <g.ebert wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Dear Gary,<BR> once I have met Ramesh Balsekar and have read several of his books, <BR> so I only can agree whith what Alan has said. <BR> But what does all this matter in the face of our daily sadhana we <BR> have to do? It is absolutely not about who is right and who is wrong -<BR> endless mind game. It is only - only about "Who you are". <BR> If we find full trust in Sadguru Ramana or another great teacher<BR> that is sufficient and we can do our sadhana peacefully without all <BR> that mental argueing, and dive in understanding of the teaching. <BR> Otherwise this is not possible. <BR> <BR> In Sri Ramana<BR> Gabriele<BR> <BR> RamanaMaharshi, "matrixmonitor" <matrixmonitor> <BR> wrote:<BR> > --- <BR> > Access the WIE article at <a href="http://www.wie">http://www.wie</a><BR> ..org/j14/balse.asp then tell <BR> > me what you think. Chris Parish, the interviewer, calls Balsekar's <BR> > form of Advaitic Nihilism "madness". I agree. What's YOUR opinion? <BR> > Here's a paste-in of the epilogue:<BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <tt> <BR> Post message: RamanaMaharshi <BR> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> Un: RamanaMaharshi- <BR> List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner <BR> <BR> Shortcut URL to this page:<BR> <a href="/community/RamanaMaharshi"> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> </br> </body></html> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.''>http://uk.my.'>http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 To trust in the guru---which is in fact your own self--is the great teaching of Ramana. Merely to meditate on a photograph is a good upaya. To follow the instructions, to ask "Who am I" and then "Who is asking this question?" and then . . . is a better way. For lazy people. to hold the breath leads to repose of mind. Breathe in and hold it and let it out slowl. Better still, just surrender to the universal karma, A tap to www.theHungerSite.com will give somebody a cup of rice. ShalauM! _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 One more sacred cowboy. Does "Ramesh" even understand his name? A tap to www.theHungerSite.com will give somebody a cup of rice. ShalauM! _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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