Which translator/version of "40 verses on Reality"

November 20, 2002

dear Richard , this translation appears in the Collected Works of Ramana

Maharshi Edited and

compiled by Arthur Osborne , Rider and Co. 1959 . One assumes Osborne was the

trasnslator - he

does not state otherwise .There have been several editions since . .He says this

and the

Supplement are the most comprehensive exposition of Maharshi's teaching .Regards

Alan

--- Richard Clarke <r_clarke wrote:

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<tt>

Dear Group,

SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site, which

they are redoing now. The version that starts as below is a very

nice translation (obviously of the original Tamil version, not an

english translation of the Sankrit translation done by Ganapati Muni).

Does any one know the translator and publisher of the version that

starts below? (I find it one of the best of the translations. SAT

does not want to use any translation that cannot be identified as to

translator, etc., though)

Invocation

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of

existence? Free from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the

Source of all thoughts. It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then

is one to contemplate it? To be as it is in the Heart, is Its

contemplation.

ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet

of the Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and

their possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again?

Deathless are they.

1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a

unique First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name

and form, the person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the

light by which he sees: he himself is all of these.

2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the

soul, and God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests Itself

as these three. One can say, 'The three are really three' only so

long as the ego lasts. Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being, where

the 'I', or ego, is dead, is the perfect State.

Thank you.

We are Not two,

Richard

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November 20, 2002

Dear Richard,

This is the version from the Mountain Path journal, its somewhere

on their website, I'll look for it.

Gloria

-

Richard Clarke

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:13 PM

[RamanaMaharshi] Which translator/version of "40 verses on Reality"

Dear Group,

SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site, which

they are redoing now. The version that starts as below is a very

nice translation (obviously of the original Tamil version, not an

english translation of the Sankrit translation done by Ganapati Muni).

Does any one know the translator and publisher of the version that

starts below? (I find it one of the best of the translations. SAT

does not want to use any translation that cannot be identified as to

translator, etc., though)

Invocation

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of

existence? Free from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the

Source of all thoughts. It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then

is one to contemplate it? To be as it is in the Heart, is Its

contemplation.

ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet

of the Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and

their possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again?

Deathless are they.

1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a

unique First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name

and form, the person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the

light by which he sees: he himself is all of these.

Invocatory

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of existence? Free

from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the Source of all thoughts.

It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then is one to contemplate it? To be

as it is in the Heart, is Its contemplation.

ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet of the

Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and their

possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again? Deathless are

they.

Verses

1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a unique

First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name and form, the

person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the light by which he

sees: he himself is all of these.

2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the

soul, and God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests Itself

as these three. One can say, 'The three are really three' only so

long as the ego lasts. Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being, where

the 'I', or ego, is dead, is the perfect State.

Thank you.

We are Not two,

Richard

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November 20, 2002

http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/m_path/1964_4/october.htm

This issue is also edited by Arthur Osborne, so its a confirmation.

http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/m_path/1964_4/forty.htm

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Gloria Lee

RM

Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:48 AM

[RamanaMaharshi] Re: Which translator/version of "40 verses on

Reality"

Dear Richard,

This is the version from the Mountain Path journal, its somewhere

on their website, I'll look for it.

Gloria

-

Richard Clarke

RamanaMaharshi

Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:13 PM

[RamanaMaharshi] Which translator/version of "40 verses on Reality"

Dear Group,

SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site, which

they are redoing now. The version that starts as below is a very

nice translation (obviously of the original Tamil version, not an

english translation of the Sankrit translation done by Ganapati Muni).

Does any one know the translator and publisher of the version that

starts below? (I find it one of the best of the translations. SAT

does not want to use any translation that cannot be identified as to

translator, etc., though)

Invocation

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of

existence? Free from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the

Source of all thoughts. It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then

is one to contemplate it? To be as it is in the Heart, is Its

contemplation.

ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet

of the Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and

their possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again?

Deathless are they.

1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a

unique First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name

and form, the person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the

light by which he sees: he himself is all of these.

Invocatory

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of existence? Free

from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the Source of all thoughts.

It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then is one to contemplate it? To be

as it is in the Heart, is Its contemplation.

ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet of the

Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and their

possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again? Deathless are

they.

Verses

1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a unique

First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name and form, the

person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the light by which he

sees: he himself is all of these.

2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the

soul, and God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests Itself

as these three. One can say, 'The three are really three' only so

long as the ego lasts. Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being, where

the 'I', or ego, is dead, is the perfect State.

Thank you.

We are Not two,

Richard

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November 21, 2002

Dear Richard,

Gloria has nailed this one down but it might

be useful to mention, just for future reference,

that it's now possible to answer questions of

this type almost instantly through the use of

Google.

Simply take a phrase from the article (a

phrase which is unlikely to appear in any other

article), enclose it in quotes, and search for

it in Google.

By the way... did you consider T.M.P. Mahadevan's

translation of "40 Verses" which is included in his

book "Ramana Maharshi and His Philosophy of

Existence"?

It would be great to place that whole book on the

web. I believe Sri Ramanashramam holds the

copyright.

Rob

RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> Dear Group,

>

> SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site, which

November 21, 2002

Dear Gloria,

Thank you, that is exactly what I needed.

We are Not two,

Richard

RamanaMaharshi, "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:

> http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/m_path/1964_4/october.htm

>

> This issue is also edited by Arthur Osborne, so its a confirmation.

>

> http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/m_path/1964_4/forty.htm

> -

> Gloria Lee

> RM

> Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:48 AM

> [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Which translator/version of "40

verses on Reality"

>

> Dear Richard,

>

> This is the version from the Mountain Path journal, its somewhere

> on their website, I'll look for it.

>

> Gloria

>

> -

> Richard Clarke

> RamanaMaharshi

> Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:13 PM

> [RamanaMaharshi] Which translator/version of "40 verses

on Reality"

>

> Dear Group,

>

> SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site,

which

> they are redoing now. The version that starts as below is a very

> nice translation (obviously of the original Tamil version, not an

> english translation of the Sankrit translation done by Ganapati

Muni).

>

> Does any one know the translator and publisher of the version

that

> starts below? (I find it one of the best of the translations.

SAT

> does not want to use any translation that cannot be identified as

to

> translator, etc., though)

>

> Invocation

> i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of

> existence? Free from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart,

the

> Source of all thoughts. It is, therefore, called the Heart. How

then

> is one to contemplate it? To be as it is in the Heart, is Its

> contemplation.

>

> ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the

feet

> of the Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves

and

> their possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again?

> Deathless are they.

>

> 1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a

> unique First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of

name

> and form, the person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and

the

> light by which he sees: he himself is all of these.

>

> Invocatory

>

> i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of

existence? Free

> from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the Source of all

thoughts.

> It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then is one to

contemplate it? To be

> as it is in the Heart, is Its contemplation.

> ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the

feet of the

> Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and their

> possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again?

Deathless are

> they.

>

> Verses

>

> 1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a

unique

> First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name and

form, the

> person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the light by

which he

> sees: he himself is all of these.

>

> 2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the

> soul, and God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests

Itself

> as these three. One can say, 'The three are really three' only so

> long as the ego lasts. Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being,

where

> the 'I', or ego, is dead, is the perfect State.

>

> Thank you.

>

> We are Not two,

> Richard

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November 21, 2002

Dear Alan,

Thank you. This is what I needed. (I can't at the moment find my

copy of "Collected works" though).

Certainly "40 Verses" is a wonderful and deep exposition of Ramana's

teaching. In the last day of the recent 5-day SAT retreat, we were

read both a translation from the Tamil version and from the Sanskrit

version of "40 verses" and given commentary on each version. This was

wonderful, and a great way to end the retreat.

WE are Not two,

Richard

RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

> dear Richard , this translation appears in the Collected Works of

Ramana Maharshi Edited and

> compiled by Arthur Osborne , Rider and Co. 1959 . One assumes

Osborne was the trasnslator - he

> does not state otherwise .There have been several editions

since . .He says this and the

> Supplement are the most comprehensive exposition of Maharshi's

teaching .Regards Alan

>

> --- Richard Clarke <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> <HR>

> <html><body>

>

> <tt>

> Dear Group,

>

> SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web

site, which

> they are redoing now. The version that starts as below is a

very

> nice translation (obviously of the original Tamil version, not an

> english translation of the Sankrit translation done by Ganapati

Muni).

>

> Does any one know the translator and publisher of the version that

> starts below? (I find it one of the best of the translations.

SAT

> does not want to use any translation that cannot be identified as

to

> translator, etc., though)

>

> Invocation

> i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of

> existence? Free from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the

> Source of all thoughts. It is, therefore, called the Heart. How

then

> is one to contemplate it? To be as it is in the Heart, is Its

> contemplation.

>

> ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the

feet

> of the Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and

> their possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again?

> Deathless are they.

>

> 1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a

> unique First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name

> and form, the person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the

> light by which he sees: he himself is all of these.

>

> 2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the

> soul, and God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests Itself

> as these three. One can say, 'The three are really three' only so

> long as the ego lasts. Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being,

where

> the 'I', or ego, is dead, is the perfect State.

>

> Thank you.

>

> We are Not two,

> Richard

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Dear Rob,

Thank you for your comments. I did look on Google, I looked for "40

verses" though and not a phrase from the version I was looking for.

Good idea!

I do not know the T.M.P. Mahadevan translation (nor that specific

book). Maybe there is a copy in the SAT library. Do you know of one

that is posted on the web? I searched and found his translation of

the Q&A version of "Who am I?" but not "40 verses."

We are Not two,

Richard

RamanaMaharshi, "Rob Sacks" <editor@r...> wrote:

> Dear Richard,

>

> Gloria has nailed this one down but it might

> be useful to mention, just for future reference,

> that it's now possible to answer questions of

> this type almost instantly through the use of

> Google.

>

> Simply take a phrase from the article (a

> phrase which is unlikely to appear in any other

> article), enclose it in quotes, and search for

> it in Google.

>

> By the way... did you consider T.M.P. Mahadevan's

> translation of "40 Verses" which is included in his

> book "Ramana Maharshi and His Philosophy of

> Existence"?

>

> It would be great to place that whole book on the

> web. I believe Sri Ramanashramam holds the

> copyright.

>

> Rob

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site, which

November 21, 2002

Dear Richard,

Excerpts of the book, but not the whole thing, can

be found on the Sri Ramanasramam website. The book

is published by Sri Ramansramam and can be purchased

from them, or from Arunachala Ashrama in the US.

For folks who don't know about T.M.P. Mahadevan,

he was a leading academic expert on Advaita (a

professor of philosophy at a major university)

and also a devotee of Bhagavan. So far as I know,

this makes him unique.

The book is a compilation of various writings by

Mahadevan on Bhagavan and Advaita. It includes:

-- English translation of 40 Verses.

-- English translation of the Supplement to 40 Verses.

-- Commentaries on 40 Verses and the Supplement.

-- Mahadevan's short biography of Bhagavan.

-- Four essays about Bhagavan by Mahadevan.

-- Tamil texts of 40 Verses and the Supplement in

transliterated Roman type.

-- A glossary of Sanskrit words.

The book is worth buying just to have any single

one of its contents.

For example, take the glossary. I think it's

invaluable because it's the only glossary I've

found of technical Sanskrit terms used in Advaitic

philosophy that is written by somebody who has

both academic and experiential expertise in the

subject.

I sometimes think that many Westerners who

are interested in Advaita would be shocked to

look at the canonical works of Advaita,

particularly Shankaracharya's "Brahma Sutra

Bhasya". It's academic philosophy; it's like

reading Kant.

I don't mean to suggest that this kind of

knowledge is necessary in order to practice

(the sages tell us over and over that it's

not only not necessary, but it's counter-

productive). But for folks who are interested

in the theoretical stuff, they might as well

get it from truly informed sources like

Mahadevan.

Rob

RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> Dear Rob,

>

> Thank you for your comments. I did look on Google, I looked for "40

November 21, 2002

Dear Richard and Rob , I believe the Mahadevan Translation is in a book by him

entitled' Ramana

Maharshi and the Philosophy of Existence'.It has a philosophic commentary .He

was professor of

Advanced Philosophy University of Madras ., before he died .Regards , Alan

--- Richard Clarke <r_clarke wrote:

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Dear Rob,

Thank you for your comments. I did look on Google, I looked for "40

verses" though and not a phrase from the version I was looking for.

Good idea!

I do not know the T.M.P. Mahadevan translation (nor that specific

book). Maybe there is a copy in the SAT library. Do you know of one

that is posted on the web? I searched and found his translation of

the Q&A version of "Who am I?" but not "40 verses."

We are Not two,

Richard

RamanaMaharshi, "Rob Sacks" <editor@r...> wrote:

> Dear Richard,

>

> Gloria has nailed this one down but it might

> be useful to mention, just for future reference,

> that it's now possible to answer questions of

> this type almost instantly through the use of

> Google.

>

> Simply take a phrase from the article (a

> phrase which is unlikely to appear in any other

> article), enclose it in quotes, and search for

> it in Google.

>

> By the way... did you consider T.M.P. Mahadevan's

> translation of "40 Verses" which is included in his

> book "Ramana Maharshi and His Philosophy of

> Existence"?

>

> It would be great to place that whole book on the

> web. I believe Sri Ramanashramam holds the

> copyright.

>

> Rob

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke"

<r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > SAT wants to put a version of "40 verses" in their web site,

which

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Dearest Vicki,

It's wonderful to see you here again

also. Especially with this great

rush of love that accompanies you.

Disappear... it will probably happen

again, and then it will unhappen again.

I like your new name: .

Love,

Rob

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

> dear Rob,

> as usual in great appreciation of your answers;

> great pleasure to see you are back on the list and hope

> you are not going to dissappear again;

> love from bhaktaX to bhakta0

November 22, 2002

Dear Jiva,

You silly fellow. Why are you trying to

shock everybody and make them dislike you?

You are obviously drawn here by Bhagavan,

like the rest of us, and you should try

to stay here.

People here are predisposed to admire you

and shower you with affection.

In case the moderators are considering

banning you, I'd like to point out to them

that gives them the option to make any

particular person's messages "moderated"

(so that they appear publicly only after a

moderator approves each one individually)

even though the group as a whole is set to

"unmoderated."

It would be extra work for them, but

perhaps they will consider it.

Rob

RamanaMaharshi, "Jiva Das" <jivadas@h...> wrote:

> Seems like Rob wants to...

November 22, 2002

Dear Rob:

Your suggestion about putting Jiva on moderation is a very Ramana loving one. I

am sure that Ramana would not ban anyone. Then we could still show Jiva that we

love him.

You know that I was banned on the Harsha group for asking Harsha some persistent

questions about his realization on His group. When I channeled Ramana it was too

much for him or his moderators so I got the ooopps your banned. Harsha still

wont relate to me even though I said I was wrong. I guess it was a lifetime

sentence.

In this country that kills murderers they sometimes set them free when they

repent.

Funny world huh?

Love,

Alton who want to be "The Self"

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