in a split second

December 16, 2002

Daily Message for Transforming the Mind #827

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48. The Manner of the Dawn of Knowledge

(Janodaya Vidham)

268. Death happens in a split second. Awakening from sleep happens in a split

second. Similarly, the destruction of the delusion of individuality happens in

just a split second. True knowledge is not something that can be gained and then

lost. If a person feels that true knowledge is coming and going, he is still

only in the state of practice (or abhyasa). It cannot be said that such a person

has attained true Self-knowledge.

The perfect awakening into the state of Self-knowledge happens in just a split

second. That state is not attained gradually over a long period of time. All the

sadhanas that are practiced over a period of many years are meant only for

attaining blemishless maturity. Listen to an apt illustration. After people have

placed gunpowder in the iron barrel of a temple-cannon, after they have added

broken pieces of brick, after they have packed it tight with a ramrod, after

they have placed a wick in contact with the powder, and after they have

plastered the open end of the barrel with clay, as soon as the charge is ignited

it will explode in a split second with a blast that sounds like thunder.

Similarly, after one has learnt the truth about the real Self through hearing

and reading, after one has practiced sadhana for a long time, after one has wept

and prayed with heart-melting devotion, and after one has thereby attained

purity of mind, the knowledge of the reality will instantaneously shine forth in

a split second as "I am I". As soon as the dawn of Self-knowledge thus takes

place, due to the clear shining of the reality of this state, which is an empty

space devoid of objective knowledge, will be spontaneously realized to be the

state of true knowledge, which is our beginningless real nature. When even the

effort of attending to Self thereby merges in Silence, that state of mere Being,

in which there is nothing further to do and nothing further to attain at any

time, alone is the real state.

Note: Refer to Sri Ramana Gita 17.5 and 17.3

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>From the book, "A LIGHT ON THE TEACHING OF BHAGAVAN SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI The

Essence of Spiritual Practice" (Sadhanai Saram).

AHAM message

December 20, 2002

--below....the concept of nearly instantaneous Enlightenment.

True..if one has climbed Mt Evarest but is one step shy of reaching

the top; it's only one foot more, instantaneous! There's no law

saying that after one starts Sadhana, total Realization occurs

quickly, after 5 years, 10 years, 20, 30 or more. Depends on the

individual. There is a lot of diversity and variation.Obviously, when

the journey is %99.999999999....complete, the last stage

is "instantaneous". Sorry, but not much logic in the discussion

below, but more important, doesn't match what many people obviously

experience: a progression of apparent time.....qntmptk.

(- In RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...>

wrote:

> Daily Message for Transforming the Mind #827

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 48. The Manner of the Dawn of Knowledge

> (Janodaya Vidham)

>

> 268. Death happens in a split second. Awakening from sleep happens

in a split second. Similarly, the destruction of the delusion of

individuality happens in just a split second. True knowledge is not

something that can be gained and then lost. If a person feels that

true knowledge is coming and going, he is still only in the state of

practice (or abhyasa). It cannot be said that such a person has

attained true Self-knowledge.

>

> The perfect awakening into the state of Self-knowledge happens in

just a split second. That state is not attained gradually over a long

period of time. All the sadhanas that are practiced over a period of

many years are meant only for attaining blemishless maturity. Listen

to an apt illustration. After people have placed gunpowder in the

iron barrel of a temple-cannon, after they have added broken pieces

of brick, after they have packed it tight with a ramrod, after they

have placed a wick in contact with the powder, and after they have

plastered the open end of the barrel with clay, as soon as the charge

is ignited it will explode in a split second with a blast that sounds

like thunder.

>

> Similarly, after one has learnt the truth about the real Self

through hearing and reading, after one has practiced sadhana for a

long time, after one has wept and prayed with heart-melting devotion,

and after one has thereby attained purity of mind, the knowledge of

the reality will instantaneously shine forth in a split second as "I

am I". As soon as the dawn of Self-knowledge thus takes place, due to

the clear shining of the reality of this state, which is an empty

space devoid of objective knowledge, will be spontaneously realized

to be the state of true knowledge, which is our beginningless real

nature. When even the effort of attending to Self thereby merges in

Silence, that state of mere Being, in which there is nothing further

to do and nothing further to attain at any time, alone is the real

state.

>

> Note: Refer to Sri Ramana Gita 17.5 and 17.3

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> From the book, "A LIGHT ON THE TEACHING OF BHAGAVAN SRI RAMANA

MAHARSHI The Essence of Spiritual Practice" (Sadhanai Saram).

> AHAM message

>

December 21, 2002

Dear q,

it is only a question of perspective. So both may be right.

The quote from Sadhu Om implies that this irreversible awakening happens then,

when sadhana is

completed, and sadhana may need many years indeed.

Nevertheless also during Sadhana the "instantenous" moment is always

given, is it not? The "split second" is present in each moment of sadhana, is it

not?

In Sri Ramana

Gabriele

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qntmpkt <qntmpkt

RamanaMaharshi

Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:51 AM

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