Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 > "Treat the body like a visitor, or a guest, who has come and will go. You must know your position as a host very clearly while the guest is still here.What is the exact nature of the host after the guest leaves, must be realized while the guest is present. Have you understood? Give me some idea of that position in which you will find yourself when the body leaves. Questioner: There is no identity Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction. Q: Yes, in meditation. M: What is the significance of the guest, the sign? Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a host. M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest. Are your answers out of deep conviction? Q: yes. M: Then there is no need to come back tommorrow. Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it. M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist? Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction. M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When one is very sleepy- just at the point of going into deep sleep- at that point one wants nothing else except to go to sleep Similarly at the point when the breath is leaving, there is also a moment of ecstasy. At that moment, when the life force and consciousness leave, there is the moment of ecstasy, that last moment of knowing. One who has truly apprehended this is a jnani for whom there is no question of birth or death. Q: Would you tell us more about that moment of death? M: Nothing more can be said about it. It's the culmination or termination of the self experience, "I am." After the termination of "I am" there is no experience of knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness is thequality of the material stuff. What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly, after death this instrument is missing whithout the body there is no experiencing. Eternity has no birth and no death, but a temporary state has a beginning and an end. Even when the consciousness goes, you prevail- you always are- as the Absolute. As the consciousness you are everything; whatever is, is you All this knowledge has downed on me I'm not that knowledge. The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations are understood. In understanding, I am not that." karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Is this from Ramana Maharshi ? Sounds much more like Nisargadatta's style to me. >"satkartar5 <mi_nok" <mi_nok >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >[RamanaMaharshi] try to understand the "Absolute" >Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:44:41 -0000 > > > > >"Treat the body like a visitor, or > a guest, who has come and will go. > You must know your position as a >host very clearly while the guest is > still here.What is the exact nature > of the host after the guest leaves, > must be realized while the guest is > present. Have you understood? Give >me some idea of that position in >which you will find yourself when >the body leaves. > >Questioner: There is no identity > >Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction. > >Q: Yes, in meditation. > >M: What is the significance of >the guest, the sign? > >Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a >host. > >M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest. Are >your answers out of deep conviction? > >Q: yes. > >M: Then there is no need to come back tommorrow. > >Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it. > >M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist? > >Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction. > >M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When >one is very sleepy- just at the point of > going into deep sleep- at that point one > wants nothing else except to go to sleep > >Similarly at the point when the breath > is leaving, there is also a moment of > ecstasy. At that moment, when the life > force and consciousness leave, there >is the moment of ecstasy, that last >moment of knowing. One who has truly apprehended this is a jnani for whom > there is no question of birth or death. > >Q: Would you tell us more about that > moment of death? > >M: Nothing more can be said about it. > It's the culmination or >termination of the self experience, > "I am." After the termination of >"I am" there is no experience of >knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness is thequality of the >material stuff. What did you know >prior to your birth? Similarly, >after death this instrument is missing > whithout the body there is no >experiencing. Eternity has no birth > and no death, but a temporary state > has a beginning and an end. > >Even when the consciousness goes, >you prevail- you always are- as the > Absolute. As the consciousness you > are everything; whatever is, is you > All this knowledge has downed on me > I'm not that knowledge. > >The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations are understood. In >understanding, I am not that." > >karta > > > _______________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dear All , it would be a good idea always to give the text reference to any quote so others can read around it if they wish .it is also a verification .thanks Alan Is this from Ramana Maharshi ? Sounds much more like Nisargadatta's style to me. >"satkartar5 <mi_nok" <mi_nok >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >[RamanaMaharshi] try to understand the "Absolute" >Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:44:41 -0000 > > > > >"Treat the body like a visitor, or > a guest, who has come and will go. > You must know your position as a >host very clearly while the guest is > still here.What is the exact nature > of the host after the guest leaves, > must be realized while the guest is > present. Have you understood? Give >me some idea of that position in >which you will find yourself when >the body leaves. > >Questioner: There is no identity > >Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction. > >Q: Yes, in meditation. > >M: What is the significance of >the guest, the sign? > >Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a >host. > >M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest. Are >your answers out of deep conviction? > >Q: yes. > >M: Then there is no need to come back tommorrow. > >Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it. > >M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist? > >Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction. > >M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When >one is very sleepy- just at the point of > going into deep sleep- at that point one > wants nothing else except to go to sleep > >Similarly at the point when the breath > is leaving, there is also a moment of > ecstasy. At that moment, when the life > force and consciousness leave, there >is the moment of ecstasy, that last >moment of knowing. One who has truly apprehended this is a jnani for whom > there is no question of birth or death. > >Q: Would you tell us more about that > moment of death? > >M: Nothing more can be said about it. > It's the culmination or >termination of the self experience, > "I am." After the termination of >"I am" there is no experience of >knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness is thequality of the >material stuff. What did you know >prior to your birth? Similarly, >after death this instrument is missing > whithout the body there is no >experiencing. Eternity has no birth > and no death, but a temporary state > has a beginning and an end. > >Even when the consciousness goes, >you prevail- you always are- as the > Absolute. As the consciousness you > are everything; whatever is, is you > All this knowledge has downed on me > I'm not that knowledge. > >The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations are understood. In >understanding, I am not that." > >karta > > > _______________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dear all, I (or this bmi ,as murthy says)have just recently moved from india to the U.K. and I visited Tiruvannamalai and Ramanashram just two weeks before my departure -for the first time. this at the age of 40!! needless to say, THE moving experience of my life.I am grateful to all of you for this virtual satsang as I am still struggling to proceed along the 'path' of self enquiry. I purchased a whole set of books from Ramanashram and am reading them with intent.Hope i will be able to make it to your saturday satsangs Thank you for sharing all your experiences. It is really wonderful to read and know about them. sreekumar >Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs >RamanaMaharshi >RamanaMaharshi >Re: [RamanaMaharshi] try to understand the "Absolute" >Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:25:06 +0000 (GMT) > > Dear All , it would be a good idea always to give the text reference to >any quote so others can >read around it if they wish .it is also a verification .thanks Alan > > > > >Is this from Ramana Maharshi ? Sounds much more like Nisargadatta's style >to me. > > > > > >"satkartar5 <mi_nok" <mi_nok > >RamanaMaharshi > >RamanaMaharshi > >[RamanaMaharshi] try to understand the "Absolute" > >Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:44:41 -0000 > > > > > > > > >"Treat the body like a visitor, or > > a guest, who has come and will go. > > You must know your position as a > >host very clearly while the guest is > > still here.What is the exact nature > > of the host after the guest leaves, > > must be realized while the guest is > > present. Have you understood? Give > >me some idea of that position in > >which you will find yourself when > >the body leaves. > > > >Questioner: There is no identity > > > >Ramana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction. > > > >Q: Yes, in meditation. > > > >M: What is the significance of > >the guest, the sign? > > > >Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a > >host. > > > >M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest. Are > >your answers out of deep conviction? > > > >Q: yes. > > > >M: Then there is no need to come back tommorrow. > > > >Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it. > > > >M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist? > > > >Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction. > > > >M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When > >one is very sleepy- just at the point of > > going into deep sleep- at that point one > > wants nothing else except to go to sleep > > > >Similarly at the point when the breath > > is leaving, there is also a moment of > > ecstasy. At that moment, when the life > > force and consciousness leave, there > >is the moment of ecstasy, that last > >moment of knowing. One who has truly apprehended this is a jnani for whom > > there is no question of birth or death. > > > >Q: Would you tell us more about that > > moment of death? > > > >M: Nothing more can be said about it. > > It's the culmination or > >termination of the self experience, > > "I am." After the termination of > >"I am" there is no experience of > >knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness is thequality of the > >material stuff. What did you know > >prior to your birth? Similarly, > >after death this instrument is missing > > whithout the body there is no > >experiencing. Eternity has no birth > > and no death, but a temporary state > > has a beginning and an end. > > > >Even when the consciousness goes, > >you prevail- you always are- as the > > Absolute. As the consciousness you > > are everything; whatever is, is you > > All this knowledge has downed on me > > I'm not that knowledge. > > > >The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations are understood. In > >understanding, I am not that." > > > >karta > > > > > > > > >_______________ >Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 > > > Sponsor > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my. _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 --- Sreekumar Ramankutyy <r_sreekumar wrote: Dear Sreekumar , welcome !You may enjoy our Satsangs on the second Sat of each month at Friends Meeting House Hampstead .Visit our site at http://www.dwaite.dircon.co.uk/ramana/ next one Feb 8 - theme surrender with-tea-talk-meditation-discussion -music etc, Regards , in the joy of our Teaching , Alan Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Dear Alan, The link you gave does not seem to work. http://www.ramana-maharshi.org.uk/ Is this the same site? Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > --- Sreekumar Ramankutyy <r_sreekumar@h...> wrote: > > Dear Sreekumar , welcome !You may enjoy our Satsangs on the second Sat of each month > at Friends Meeting House Hampstead .Visit our site at http://www.dwaite.dircon.co.uk/ramana/ > next one Feb 8 - theme surrender with-tea-talk-meditation-discussion -music etc, > > Regards , in the joy of our Teaching , Alan > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Dear Miles , yes this is the same site .dennis waite who mounts our site sent us this .i wonder why ? I'll check .Thanks Alan Dear Alan, The link you gave does not seem to work. http://www.ramana-maharshi.org.uk/ Is this the same site? Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > --- Sreekumar Ramankutyy <r_sreekumar@h...> wrote: > > Dear Sreekumar , welcome !You may enjoy our Satsangs on the second Sat of each month > at Friends Meeting House Hampstead .Visit our site at http://www.dwaite.dircon.co.uk/ramana/ > next one Feb 8 - theme surrender with-tea-talk-meditation-discussion -music etc, > > Regards , in the joy of our Teaching , Alan > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Dear Sri Karta, I wonder whether the Master in the conversation you have quoted below was really Sri Ramana Maharshi or was it Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj? Ofcourse, they are two names of the TRUTH. om gurave namah suri "satkartar5 <mi_nok >" <mi_nok > wrote: "Treat the body like a visitor, ora guest, who has come and will go.You must know your position as a host very clearly while the guest isstill here.What is the exact natureof the host after the guest leaves,must be realized while the guest ispresent. Have you understood? Give me some idea of that position in which you will find yourself when the body leaves. Questioner: There is no identityRamana M.: Good. Is this a firm conviction.Q: Yes, in meditation.M: What is the significance of the guest, the sign?Q: As soon as the guest comes there is the sense of identity as a host. M: The sense of presence, the "I amness" is the sign of the guest. Are your answers out of deep conviction? Q: yes.M: Then there is no need to come back tommorrow.Q: It's only in deep meditation that I know it.M: Do you accept completely the knowledge that you don't exist?Q: There are moments in meditation that I feel that conviction.M: It's not a firm conviction, if it's not there all the time. When one is very sleepy- just at the point ofgoing into deep sleep- at that point onewants nothing else except to go to sleepSimilarly at the point when the breathis leaving, there is also a moment ofecstasy. At that moment, when the lifeforce and consciousness leave, there is the moment of ecstasy, that last moment of knowing. One who has truly apprehended this is a jnani for whomthere is no question of birth or death. Q: Would you tell us more about thatmoment of death?M: Nothing more can be said about it.It's the culmination or termination of the self experience,"I am." After the termination of "I am" there is no experience of knowingness or not-knowingness, the knowingness is thequality of the material stuff. What did you know prior to your birth? Similarly, after death this instrument is missingwhithout the body there is no experiencing. Eternity has no birthand no death, but a temporary statehas a beginning and an end.Even when the consciousness goes, you prevail- you always are- as theAbsolute. As the consciousness youare everything; whatever is, is youAll this knowledge has downed on meI'm not that knowledge. The knowledge "I am" and all its manifestations are understood. In understanding, I am not that."karta Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page:/community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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