Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 D: Is a vow of silence useful? Maharshi: The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the sense of ego. D: Is solitude necessary for a sannyasin? M: Solitude is in the mind of a man. One might be in the thick of the world and yet maintain perfect serenity of mind; such a person is always in solitude. Another may stay in the forest but still be unable to control his mind. He cannot be said to be in solitude. Solitude is an attitude of the mind; a man attached to the things of life cannot get solitude, wherever he may be. A detached man is always in solitude. The Spiritual Teachings of Ramana Maharshi..SHAMBHALA- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear Alton, Something you just posted here reminds me of something else. You quoted Bhagavan's remark: M: Solitude is in the mind of a man. It sounds like he is saying, "solitude is something you can acquire and have in your mind." But compare that interpretation with the following account of a vision by Wolter Keers from the new issue of Amigo, the online magazine recommended here yesterday: "Silently I wished: 'O Bhagavan, I wished I were alone with you.' And hardly did I think this, when the first person stood up, prostrated before Bhagavan, and left. Then number two, and in less than no time, the entire gallery was empty, but for Bhagavan and myself. "I drew myself next to His feet, looked at Him, and said: 'How wonderful, to be alone with Bhagavan'. - Again this smile of His -- It always contained a world. It was a bath of light and love, spiced very slightly, this time, with some sarcasm to make me aware of my absurd standpoint, when He said, slowly, taking time to pronounce every syllable slowly and clearly: 'Are... you... ever... not... a-lone...?' "Immediately, this very 'Bhagavanish' remark made me glow with happiness and recognition. I understood immediately what He meant -- I was completely home again."From http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos5/wk_hartvdwereld_us.html - UNBOUND Undisclosed-Recipient:; Friday, February 28, 2003 2:14 PM [RamanaMaharshi] A detached man is always in solitude D: Is a vow of silence useful? Maharshi: The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the sense of ego. D: Is solitude necessary for a sannyasin? M: Solitude is in the mind of a man. One might be in the thick of the world and yet maintain perfect serenity of mind; such a person is always in solitude. Another may stay in the forest but still be unable to control his mind. He cannot be said to be in solitude. Solitude is an attitude of the mind; a man attached to the things of life cannot get solitude, wherever he may be. A detached man is always in solitude. The Spiritual Teachings of Ramana Maharshi..SHAMBHALA- Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear Rob: Because all of us are mostly alienated to some extent we have no REAL solitude. Love, Alton RamanaMaharshi, "Rob Sacks" <editor@r...> wrote: > Dear Alton, > > Something you just posted here reminds me of something > else. You quoted Bhagavan's remark: > > M: Solitude is in the mind of a man. > > It sounds like he is saying, "solitude is something you can > acquire and have in your mind." But compare that interpretation > with the following account of a vision by Wolter Keers from the > new issue of Amigo, the online magazine recommended here > yesterday: > "Silently I wished: 'O Bhagavan, I wished I were alone with you.' > And hardly did I think this, when the first person stood up, > prostrated before Bhagavan, and left. Then number two, and in > less than no time, the entire gallery was empty, but for > Bhagavan and myself. > > "I drew myself next to His feet, looked at Him, and said: 'How > wonderful, to be alone with Bhagavan'. - Again this smile of His -- > It always contained a world. It was a bath of light and love, spiced > very slightly, this time, with some sarcasm to make me aware of > my absurd standpoint, when He said, slowly, taking time to > pronounce every syllable slowly and clearly: 'Are... you... ever... > not... a-lone...?' > > "Immediately, this very 'Bhagavanish' remark made me glow with > happiness and recognition. I understood immediately what He > meant -- I was completely home again." > > From http://www.ods.nl/am1gos/am1gos5/wk_hartvdwereld_us.html > > - > UNBOUND > Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Friday, February 28, 2003 2:14 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] A detached man is always in solitude > > > D: Is a vow of silence useful? > Maharshi: The inner silence is self-surrender. And that is living without the sense of ego. > D: Is solitude necessary for a sannyasin? > M: Solitude is in the mind of a man. One might be in the thick of the world and yet maintain perfect serenity of mind; such a person is always in solitude. Another may stay in the forest but still be unable to control his mind. He cannot be said to be in solitude. Solitude is an attitude of the mind; a man attached to the things of life cannot get solitude, wherever he may be. A detached man is always in solitude. > > The Spiritual Teachings of Ramana Maharshi..SHAMBHALA- > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear Alton, When I first read this I thought it was a very clever joke, but then I realized it's probably true. But (slight change of topic) people like to sleep. Did you ever notice a feeling flashing through your mind as you're about to fall asleep, something like: "Ah, warm and snuggly, what a relief, alone at last after the long day!" Do we like sleep because we are alone during sleep, or because we like to dream? Why don't we love vichara as much as we love sleep? Why don't we give up our thoughts while awake with the same pleasure we give them up as we fall asleep? Love, Rob - <leenalton <RamanaMaharshi> Friday, February 28, 2003 4:59 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A detached man is always in solitude > Dear Rob: > Because all of us are mostly alienated to some extent we have no REAL > solitude. > Love, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear Rob: I have been asking the universe to have less or no sleep for many years and up until this week It has diminished nicely. I do like deep sleep somewhat and also my now vivid dreams, but I am crazy for the peace of the SELF so I would surely love it if I could be in a weightless environment with tube feeding so that I could practice and MAKE PROGRESS 24 HOURS PER DAY. ha ha. I'll take Vichara anytime over sleep, but since I have yet to be off the mental mods for very long, I am not yet receptive enough for it. Hoping, Hoping, Hoping. If I fail it wont be because I am not earnest. It will be because one cannot knock their head against the wall to change destiny. Just in case anyone here wants to know, I am back in the Ramana camp, but that must have been evident when I posted two Ramana answers today. Love of the SELF. Alton RamanaMaharshi, "Rob Sacks" <editor@r...> wrote: > Dear Alton, > > When I first read this I thought it was a very clever joke, > but then I realized it's probably true. > > But (slight change of topic) people like to sleep. Did you > ever notice a feeling flashing through your mind as you're > about to fall asleep, something like: "Ah, warm and snuggly, > what a relief, alone at last after the long day!" > > Do we like sleep because we are alone during sleep, or because > we like to dream? > > Why don't we love vichara as much as we love sleep? > > Why don't we give up our thoughts while awake with the > same pleasure we give them up as we fall asleep? > > Love, > > Rob > > - > <leenalton@h...> > <RamanaMaharshi> > Friday, February 28, 2003 4:59 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A detached man is always in solitude > > > > Dear Rob: > > Because all of us are mostly alienated to some extent we have no REAL > > solitude. > > Love, > > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dear Boundless , I am so glad you are back in camp .I am sure we can look forward to many apposite postings and ellucidations to come . One comment .Surely we are alone in solitude as Self .The alienation and feelings of separation and mind stuff are merely floating flotsam and jetsam on the boundless ocean of Consciousness ..The background to all that takes place in Consciousness-Awareness is Solitude .. All love , in Ramana's Grace , Alan Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Dear Alan: I am wondering what would happen if one just sits there in meditation without using any techniques. I will try it this week to see if I can stay awake not doing anything. Will let you know what happened if you or anyone else is interested. Has anyone else tried it? If so did you find that you doze off or cant sit in meditation for the same amount of time that you can using some technique? Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > Dear Boundless , I am so glad you are back in camp .I am sure we can look forward to many > apposite postings and ellucidations to come . > > One comment .Surely we are alone in solitude as Self .The alienation and feelings of separation > and mind stuff are merely floating flotsam and jetsam on the boundless ocean of Consciousness > .The background to all that takes place in Consciousness-Awareness is Solitude . > > All love , in Ramana's Grace , Alan > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Dear Alton , Yes.I would be very interested to hear what happens .Please let us know , may Grace be with you ,Cheers {Brits equiv of Aloha} Alan I am wondering what would happen if one just sits there in meditation without using any techniques. I will try it this week to see if I can stay awake not doing anything. Will let you know what happened if you or anyone else is interested. Has anyone else tried it? If so did you find that you doze off or cant sit in meditation for the same amount of time that you can using some technique? Aloha, Alton RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: > Dear Boundless , I am so glad you are back in camp .I am sure we can look forward to many > apposite postings and ellucidations to come . > > One comment .Surely we are alone in solitude as Self .The alienation and feelings of separation > and mind stuff are merely floating flotsam and jetsam on the boundless ocean of Consciousness > .The background to all that takes place in Consciousness-Awareness is Solitude . > > All love , in Ramana's Grace , Alan > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Meditation is, truly speaking, Atmanishtha (to be fixed as the Self). But when thoughts cross the mind and an effort is made to eliminate them the effort is usually termed meditation. Atmanishtha is your real nature. Remain as you are. That is the aim. (from Talks; 294) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > Meditation is, truly speaking, Atmanishtha (to be fixed as the Self). But > when thoughts cross the mind and an effort is made to eliminate them the > effort is usually termed meditation. Atmanishtha is your real nature. Remain > as you are. That is the aim. > (from Talks; 294) More from Talk; 294... Why do you wish to meditate at all? Because you wish to do so you are told Atma samstham manah krtva (fixing the mind in the Self); why do you not remain as you are without meditating? What is that manah (mind)? When all thoughts are eliminated it becomes Atma samstha (fixed in the Self). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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