TONY PARSONS

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One of the things I came to see is that enlightenment only becomes available

when it has been accepted that it cannot be achieved. Doctrines, processes and

progressive paths which seek enlightenment only exacerbate the problem they

address by reinforcing the idea that the self can find something that it

presumes it has lost. It is that very effort, that investment in self-identity,

that continuously recreates the illusion of separation from oneness. This is the

veil that we believe exists. It is the dream of individuality.

 

http://www.theopensecret.com/extracts.htm

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Dear Alton , my view on this is that the effort of Self Enquiry is aimed at

removing the cause of

ignorance and not reinforcing any idea whatsoever -in fact it removes all

other concepts about

the 'me'. The effort of Atma Vichara is undertaken by the Ego to find its own

Source .It is not a

progressive path in the conventional sense , as the idea of making progress is

a hindrance

..Without Self Enquiry and relying only on "abandoning effort" you may have a

partial awakening ,if there has been adequate previous sadhana, but with the

vasanas still

active .Self Enquiry is aimed at reducing the vasanas to a state of harmlessness

, "a burned out

rope".Ramana Maharshi was the gretest Sage since Sankara , he taught by Silence

,and showed

devotees the way to Self Realisation through Devotion , Surrender and

Self-Enquiry ,tried and

tested paths since ancient times. Some of the " no effort school" think they

know better .It is a

comfortable concept to abandon spiritual practice - but could end up to be a

dead end , a parking

place , or at worse a sliding back into where the vasanas becoming more

active .All of the "new

effort school" made considerable efforts themselves until they reached the

place where they

fouind no more effort was possible for them or needed.As with Ramana , all

the necessary effort

was possibly made in a previous life . But these cases are rare indeed ,and one

can't rely on that

supposition.Even making 'no effort'is paradoxically some kind of effort .if God

,Guru or Self

wills you to make the effort of Self Enquiry , which is Grace , - nothing is

going to prevent it

.. All love , in Him , Alan

 

 

 

 

> One of the things I came to see is that enlightenment only becomes available

when it has been

> accepted that it cannot be achieved. Doctrines, processes and progressive

paths which seek

> enlightenment only exacerbate the problem they address by reinforcing the idea

that the self can

> find something that it presumes it has lost. It is that very effort, that

investment in

> self-identity, that continuously recreates the illusion of separation from

oneness. This is the

> veil that we believe exists. It is the dream of individuality.

>

> http://www.theopensecret.com/extracts.htm

>

 

 

 

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om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

 

> Alan wrote:

> my view on this is that the effort of Self Enquiry is aimed at removing the

> cause of ignorance and not reinforcing any idea whatsoever -in fact it

> removes all other concepts about the 'me'. The effort of Atma Vichara is

> undertaken by the Ego to find its own Source .It is not a progressive path in

> the conventional sense , as the idea > of making progress

> is a hindrance.

 

Indeed. Self Enquiry is undoubtedly a powerful tool. All the better when we

can utilise it without desire for any result. When it becomes the natural

predeliction of the mind who can disagree? Then path and goal truly are

found to be one and the same.

 

Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan,

Miles