Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Dear RamanaMaharshi discussion: Best greetings. Please answer what I believe to be a very important question and one that seems to be disregarded i.e. self-enquiry. It's my understanding that Ramana Maharshi very clearly actually physically died and then was reborn during his sadhana. It would seem that this is a necessary last step to Self-Realization since the vital energy is united into the sahaja samadhi. Is this true? I know that Ch'an Master Nan, Huai-chi states that even if a person knows all their past lives and completely empties out their ego that it is still psychological: Once the body dies the samadhi can not be maintained to empty out the last breath and so the physical death is just like deep sleep. This is the limitation of the 6th and 7th consciousness according to Buddhism with Supreme Complete Enlightenment only acquired until the first five (body) and the eigth (the universe) being emptied out. It would seem that if physical re-birth is required in self-enquiry than this process also entails going beyond the body and universe -- as the universe is a reflection of the ego. Please confirm this for me and also please address the fact that this important point of sadhana is not clarified in the self-enquiry teachings. Thank you, Drew Hempel, Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 -Dear Drew , to the best of my knowledge - and in all I have ever read or heard about Ramana's Self Realisation I have never heard or read it stated that he actually 'died' in the physical sense as we understand Death or Consciousness actually leaving the body i.e. being clinically dead .In his own description-see intro.to His Collected Works he says clearly 'he imitated death' .This is how it is understood by all devotees I have ever met .Yours , In Him , Alan > Best greetings. Please answer what I believe to be a > very important question and one that seems to be > disregarded i.e. self-enquiry. > > It's my understanding that Ramana Maharshi very > clearly actually physically died and then was reborn > during his sadhana. It would seem that this is a > necessary last step to Self-Realization since the > vital energy is united into the sahaja samadhi. > > Is this true? I know that Ch'an Master Nan, Huai-chi > states that even if a person knows all their past > lives and completely empties out their ego that it is > still psychological: Once the body dies the samadhi > can not be maintained to empty out the last breath and > so the physical death is just like deep sleep. This > is the limitation of the 6th and 7th consciousness > according to Buddhism with Supreme Complete > Enlightenment only acquired until the first five > (body) and the eigth (the universe) being emptied out. > > > It would seem that if physical re-birth is required in > self-enquiry than this process also entails going > beyond the body and universe -- as the universe is a > reflection of the ego. > > Please confirm this for me and also please address the > fact that this important point of sadhana is not > clarified in the self-enquiry teachings. > > Thank you, > > Drew Hempel, > Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S. > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 -Dear Drew ,a further thought .People reached Self Realisation ' with Ramana Maharshi , in his lifetime [see Power of the Presence Reminiscenses Vols I II & III by David Godman]and none of them had to undergo physical death for Self Realisation .It happened in Life .No where does he say a physical death is required - only death of the ego - is required , through Surrender , Enquiry and Divine Grace .Trust this clarifies your question ,Regards , in His Grace , Alan . > Best greetings. Please answer what I believe to be a > very important question and one that seems to be > disregarded i.e. self-enquiry. > > It's my understanding that Ramana Maharshi very > clearly actually physically died and then was reborn > during his sadhana. It would seem that this is a > necessary last step to Self-Realization since the > vital energy is united into the sahaja samadhi. > > Is this true? I know that Ch'an Master Nan, Huai-chi > states that even if a person knows all their past > lives and completely empties out their ego that it is > still psychological: Once the body dies the samadhi > can not be maintained to empty out the last breath and > so the physical death is just like deep sleep. This > is the limitation of the 6th and 7th consciousness > according to Buddhism with Supreme Complete > Enlightenment only acquired until the first five > (body) and the eigth (the universe) being emptied out. > > > It would seem that if physical re-birth is required in > self-enquiry than this process also entails going > beyond the body and universe -- as the universe is a > reflection of the ego. > > Please confirm this for me and also please address the > fact that this important point of sadhana is not > clarified in the self-enquiry teachings. > > Thank you, > > Drew Hempel, > Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S. > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Drew, Drew wrote: > It's my understanding that Ramana Maharshi very > clearly actually physically died and then was reborn > during his sadhana. It would seem that this is a > necessary last step to Self-Realization since the > vital energy is united into the sahaja samadhi. The death of the body is of no importance. The cycle, of birth and death, pertains only to ahamkara. With the death of ahamkara, talk of rebirth no longer has validity. When ahamkara at last faces its death, it panics, it loses the place, and vicAra (i.e. that which once was practice) spontaneously dives into the Heart. Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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