Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Dear All, thanks for many good wishes for the retreat. Just came back and will give you a short report of it. I have been at a meditation centre in Southern Germany. It is on the countryside, no city nearby, so a very silent place in nature, a formerly farmer-house, all very simply but original. The leader, Detlef Witt (with a Christian background also), has not the status of a Roshi nor that of a Sensei (teacher) and obviously doesn't want it, so there is no teacher-discipleship, but one comes for a time of training. Many from whole Germany come on a regular basis. The shedule was from 6 a.m. wakening up to 9.30 p.m.: 8 periods of sittings 30 minutes each with walking meditation between, in the morning some Chi Gong exercises, 90 minutes work in the house or outside, 45 minutes lecture and also much free time between. On the last evening we celebrated the mass together. Importance is laid on the correct sitting position, most of all on a straight back, which I value more and mora as a great aid. (Sitting so firm like Arunachala). Practice for most is simply awareness. I had Sri Bhagavan's Upadesa Saram with me for study and used the free time for reading it and the sitting meditation to contemplate it. It is one of the most beautiful works by him as it is in one peace developing very wonderfully his teaching. It is a joy to read it again and again and to dive in the import of atma-vichara. It has something which gives the pull and joy to turn to vichara. So this was the leading string, the highlight, the blessing. Yours in Sri Ramana Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Dear Guruji Is sex should be completely avoided during complete period course of meditation - Gabriele Ebert atma_vichara ; RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:13 PM [RamanaMaharshi] a Zen-retreat and Upadesa Saram Dear All, thanks for many good wishes for the retreat. Just came back and will give you a short report of it. I have been at a meditation centre in Southern Germany. It is on the countryside, no city nearby, so a very silent place in nature, a formerly farmer-house, all very simply but original. The leader, Detlef Witt (with a Christian background also), has not the status of a Roshi nor that of a Sensei (teacher) and obviously doesn't want it, so there is no teacher-discipleship, but one comes for a time of training. Many from whole Germany come on a regular basis. The shedule was from 6 a.m. wakening up to 9.30 p.m.: 8 periods of sittings 30 minutes each with walking meditation between, in the morning some Chi Gong exercises, 90 minutes work in the house or outside, 45 minutes lecture and also much free time between. On the last evening we celebrated the mass together. Importance is laid on the correct sitting position, most of all on a straight back, which I value more and mora as a great aid. (Sitting so firm like Arunachala). Practice for most is simply awareness. I had Sri Bhagavan's Upadesa Saram with me for study and used the free time for reading it and the sitting meditation to contemplate it. It is one of the most beautiful works by him as it is in one peace developing very wonderfully his teaching. It is a joy to read it again and again and to dive in the import of atma-vichara. It has something which gives the pull and joy to turn to vichara. So this was the leading string, the highlight, the blessing. Yours in Sri Ramana Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 MIND and meditation It is very diffcult to explain what and how a mind is. It is colourless odourless and tasteless as we study in science. Some philosophers say our thoughts are mind and some say our emotions anf feelings are related to it. But one thing is sure that it is complicated matter.But in Bhagavad Gita and Srima Bhagavathamthe holy books of hindu religion, Holy Koran and holy Bible it is said that the right student to realise the truth of life & oneself ( love, truth, right knowledge, and actions) is a person with a ‘Pure-Mind’. This mind is further described as one with the four-fold qualities of viveka, vairagya, six qualities beginning with shama, and the mumukshutvam (called as Sadhana-Chatushtaya Sampatti). The method of bringing about this mind is also elaborately described, and the basic thrust is revealed as devotion towards God and a selfless attitude in ones actions. What does all this mean to a layman? What is the implication of this so called ‘Pure-Mind’? Every body will say taht we should control our mind.How is it ?. Is it possible? If each and every body could have achieved it there should not have been any problem in the world.Now insted of self controlling the mind it is being influencd by others and and the result we see now. This is only with the majority of the people in the world. We should not feel bad when we fail several times in our attempt to control our minds. The mind is restless, turbulent, powerful and stubborn. But the mind can be controlled with practice and dispassion. Through the control of mind, one can attain illumination. Such a person succeeds, even in adverse circumstances. The person may still face the trials and tribulations of life. But he never lacks the courage and strength to face them. When a person controls his mind, his higher nature asserts itself and his hidden powers are released. Friends wonder how this person could become, before their eyes, so great1. Persons without self-control will not even retain the prosperity that they have. Collectively, non-control of mind may lead to the downfall of an entire civilization, however prosperous or stable it may appear to be. People with passion, emotions and tensions may develop mental maladies or turn into criminals. In some situations, we do things knowing fully well that it is the right thing to do. And there are situations in which we act impulsively without knowing what is right or wrong. Wrong action results in mental turmoil. Our ignorance about right and wrong will not save us from trouble. The purer the mind, the easier it is to control. One who is perfectly moral, has nothing more to do. He is free. The undisturbed calmness of mind can be attained through service to the needy people. The entire task of controlling the mind will have to be done by each individual person. No one else can do it for another. .. What are the difficulties faced while trying to control the mind? Strong likes or dislikes, attachments or aversions, living an immoral life, harming others, taking intoxicants, wasting time, inquisitiveness about others' affairs, finding fault with others, being egocentric, jealous of others' prosperity, and having feelings of guilt, are the things which make controlling the mind difficult. The human mind is like a drunken monkey stung by a scorpion. The pleasure-urge, being the basic element in all beings, is so deeply ingrained.Lord Krishna, Gautama Buddha taught that all things would change. Nothing lasts forever. One may raise a question on the usage of words such as 'ever lasting' and 'constantly changing'. Buddha also said that desire is the root cause for all sorrows.. We should try to do things without attachment...How this is possible?. As we all know that preaching is easy and practising is difficult there are some basic to be followed to achieve a calm mind. First is meditation, Gautama Buddha described the four functions of the mind: recognition by sense organs such as a word through an ear, evaluation, decide pleasant or unpleasant, and reaction. Seeing with eyes, smelling with nose, touching with skin, all initiate pleasant or unpleasant sensations in the body. Gautama Buddha said that one should not react, since reaction is stored in the subconscious mind. Attachments to worldly things are the most powerful impediments to task of controlling the mind. When attachments are removed, aversions and delusions also leave us easily. Passion is simply desire going in the wrong direction. In other words, desire can be friend or a foe. When desire is directed towards reality, it becomes the instrument of liberation and joy. When desire is directed towards the unreal, it becomes the instrument of bondage and misery. The mind is restless due to the impurities of the mind. Urges, impulses and emotions such as envy, hatred, anger, fear, jealousy, lust, greed, conceit, temptation are the impurities of the mind. When impurities are removed, the mind will be focussed and sharp to observe even the faintest of the vibrations. The mind is a finer component of the gross body and one affects the other. The same laws of time, space and causation govern both mind and matter (body). It is for this reason that a physical illness often affects the mind, and a mental illness or tension often affects the body. The mind follows the wandering senses as the wind carries a boat off its course on the waters. Senses are a part of the body. The mind has to be controlled by the mind itself. Deliberate, patient, intelligent, systematic hard work according to tested and suitable disciplines is needed. Meditation helps to calm down the mind and to control the mind. The mind has to be gradually and systematically brought under control. We always look at external things and enjoy glamour. Instead, we should look inwardly within us asking, “Who am I?” The mind has the power of looking into itself. For easy understanding, one may imagine that the mind or brain is taken outside the physical body and is able to look at the body. That is realizing your inner most Self, the witness of intellect. Behind the mind is Self, the real self of man. Body and mind are material. Self is pure sprit. Mind is not Self, but distinct from the Self. Essentially, the person is not the mind. The person is the Self. The Self is ever free, infinite and eternal. It is pure consciousness. Mind is an instrument in the hands of the Self. Self apprehends and responds to the external world through mind. Self comes in contact with the external world through the mind. But the mind itself is changing and wavering. If the wavering mind is made motionless, the mind can reflect the Self. We should not identify ourselves with our mental states, good or bad. Our real Self is not the mind. Mind development can be achieved through meditation also. Many scientists in the United States and Europe are now propogating what our ancint Rishis and Saints practised and have been saying for thousands of years that meditation and repetitio of mantra can help to calm the mind. In the recent study on hypertensive people by the resarechers of Harward University found that transcedental meditation can actually reduce stress and help to avoid heart disease. They also observed that meditation actually increased the blood circulation and was more effective than conventional remedies like exercising. According to Castillo Richmond, the leader of the research team in his own words, " During meditation your metabolism changes and eventhough it only happens for a few minutes, you can carry the effects for thr rest of the day. Please note that Bhagvan Sri Krisna emphasize the importance of meditation in Sri mad Bhagavath Gita, for doing one's duty perfecly. Swami Vivekananda, who meditated in cape Comorin in Tamil nadu, said before we control the mind, we must study it. We have to seize this unstable mind and drag it from its wanderings and fix it on one idea. Over and over again, this must be done. “I am the witness watching my mind drifting. The mind is not I. Make any effort to control the thoughts, but watch them and follow them in imagination as they float away. I am not the mind. I see that I am thinking. I am watching my mind act.” In the beginning, during the process of controlling the mind, many revolting thoughts will come to our mind. As the practice continues, the turbulence of the mind may increase for some time. Gradually the mind's eccentricities will loose its strength. The link between the sense organs and sense-objects is the mind. When the mind is withdrawn from sense-objects, the sense organs also withdraw from their objects. A great deal of our mental troubles and difficulties in controlling the mind arises from our habitual wrong use of the faculty of imagination. Meditation helps to control the mind. An enlightened person who has gained mastery over his own mind. At times, other people mistake such as a person for being indifferent. The truth is that he experiences emotions, but he does not let emotions overpower him. Through the body, we experience the world of objects, through the mind we experience the world of emotions and through the intellect, we experience the world of thoughts. Controlling thoughts is one step towards controlling the mind. Methodical control of thoughts is a great secret in controlling the mind. In the initial stage, thought control means to think good thoughts. In its highest stage, thought control means complete cessation of thought. To control thoughts, keep the company of good people with noble thoughts and avoid evil company. The scars of old wounds are in you. Evil company brings the dislikes out to the surface. To control the mind, two sets of inner disciplines are necessary. The first set is for permanent basic operations and the second one is for providing high-power emergency brakes. When one notices that a big wave of anger is just rising in the mind, one should raise a contrary wave, a wave of love quickly. After the anger has set in, this method will not work. But impress the fact on your mind that anger is self-destructive. The mind will behave because the mind does not want self-destruction. The mind learns from what you teach the mind. Patanjali defines egoism as the identification of Self with senses, intellect and mind (5). All our sins and troubles are rooted in this egoism. The mind operates are at three states: conscious, subconscious and super-conscious. Subconscious mind is wrongly called unconscious mind. Conscious mind makes resolutions. Subconscious mind makes us frustrated to stay with our own resolutions. You may imagine that in a storage box, the conscious mind operates at the surface level and subconscious mind operates at the deeper level. When we say the mind plays tricks on us, the subconscious mind overpowers the conscious mind. How do we avoid this? The German Philosopher, Meister Eckart says we must live and act only in this moment. If we have taken care of the present moment, we have taken care of the entire future. If we do not submit to temptation only for this moment, we never shall submit to it. The past is not recoverable. The future is only a dream. So we need not worry about the time outside the present. Living a noble life is easy to do and applies only to the present time. Food habits also plays an important role in devoloping the mind.If we compare vegetarians and non vegetarians vegetarians will be more pious. anA pure-mind is one which is basically a very simple, intelligent, sensitive, & an enthusiastic mind. It is a mind which is observant, and responds out of freedom rather than conditionings. It is a mind which has value for truthfulness & straightforwardness, rather than deceit and falsehood. By being observant it indicates that it is a mind with relatively greater peace within itself. It is a mind of a strong & a big hearted fellow, which has time & disposition to observe & also feel the joys & pains of others around. Such a mind alone enjoys the beauty & harmony of nature, and such a mind alone goes deep into the problems of life. Once a mind is awake then alone it works to understand the real problem of man or his mind, and then alone it works to discover the way out. Such a mind discovers that the basic problem is baseless presumptions about oneself. It clearly sees that the ignorance of self alone brings about these presumptions about oneself & the world at large, and this in turn becomes the single most potent cause to bring about various expectations and all its associated problems arising out of their fulfillment or failures. Real & Right knowledge of oneself should reveal something which is steady, rather than some transitory understanding, which is subject to change at different time & place. A pure-mind enjoys making others happy, whether it is man or animals. He thus takes every opportunity to serve others around. He never transgresses the freedom of others, nor imposes things on others just because I like it. Such a mind alone is called as a pure mind. It is indeed a great asset to have such a mind. Knowledge therefore comes easily to them, with least possible efforts. Teachers (Guru) also should rise to the occassion then it is indeed a joy to teach something to the students.. Not only they will pay their entire attention to the subject being taught to them, but they love to go deep & unfold the mysteries of nature & self. It is indeed a blessed mind. - Gabriele Ebert atma_vichara ; RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:13 PM [RamanaMaharshi] a Zen-retreat and Upadesa Saram Dear All, thanks for many good wishes for the retreat. Just came back and will give you a short report of it. I have been at a meditation centre in Southern Germany. It is on the countryside, no city nearby, so a very silent place in nature, a formerly farmer-house, all very simply but original. The leader, Detlef Witt (with a Christian background also), has not the status of a Roshi nor that of a Sensei (teacher) and obviously doesn't want it, so there is no teacher-discipleship, but one comes for a time of training. Many from whole Germany come on a regular basis. The shedule was from 6 a.m. wakening up to 9.30 p.m.: 8 periods of sittings 30 minutes each with walking meditation between, in the morning some Chi Gong exercises, 90 minutes work in the house or outside, 45 minutes lecture and also much free time between. On the last evening we celebrated the mass together. Importance is laid on the correct sitting position, most of all on a straight back, which I value more and mora as a great aid. (Sitting so firm like Arunachala). Practice for most is simply awareness. I had Sri Bhagavan's Upadesa Saram with me for study and used the free time for reading it and the sitting meditation to contemplate it. It is one of the most beautiful works by him as it is in one peace developing very wonderfully his teaching. It is a joy to read it again and again and to dive in the import of atma-vichara. It has something which gives the pull and joy to turn to vichara. So this was the leading string, the highlight, the blessing. 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