some thoughts on Upadesa Saram, 1 / Sri Sadhu Om's with notes

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Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Arunachalaramanaya

 

Here is the translation by Sri Sadhu Om:

 

1. Karma giveing fruit is by the ordainment of

God(the Karta or Ordainer). Can karma be God,

since karma is insentient(jada)?

 

 

Note: The word karma here means any action, whether

 

ritual or otherwise, and the word 'fruit'(payan

 

or phala) denotes the resulting pleasure or pain

 

which has to be experienced by the person who does

 

that action. The word Karta, which literally means

 

'Doer', here denotes God, who is the Ordainer of

 

the fruits karma.

 

Action or karma does not give fruit by itself but

 

only in accordance with the ordainment of God.

 

That is, the time when and the way in which each

 

action gives its fruit is decided not by that

 

action itself but only by God. Thus in this verse

 

Sri Bhagavan emphatically refutes the Purva Mimamsa

 

philosophy, which was espoused by the ascetics in

 

the Daruka forest and which maintains that a

 

action's giveing fruit is independent of God, and

 

that there is no God except action(karma). Since

 

action is insentient, how can it be God?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> --- gabriele_ebert <g.ebert wrote:

> > PS: Oh sorry, this seems to be something else: the

> > Introductory

> > Verses by Sri Muruganar and not the text. Must

> > search anew.

> >

> > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele

> > Ebert"

> > <g.ebert@g...> wrote:

> > > Dear Sri Suri,

> > >

> > > "Suri's attempt" is also very beautiful. May I

> > re-post it here

> > together with the others?

> > >

> > > Yours in Sri Ramana

> > > Gabriele

> > >

> > > Here is the one by Sri Sadhu Om (from message

> 2421

> > posted by Sri

> > Achala), I had forgotten to include yesterday but

> > instead only

> > > posted the prefatory verse.

> > >

> > > 1. Those who were performing austerities (tapas)

> > > in the Daruka Forest, were heading for their

> > > ruin by (following the path of) purva-karma.

> > > (Tiruvundiyar 1.70)

> > >

> > > ************

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > surya narayan

> > > RamanaMaharshi

> > > Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:45 PM

> > > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] some thoughts on

> > Upadesa Saram, 1

> > >

> > >

> > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Gabriele,

> > >

> > > I recall that there was a reference to Sri

> Sadhu

> > Om's translation

> > of the tamil upadesa undiyar. But I did not get to

> > see it in the

> > posts. I would rather prefer to read his

> translation

> > than Suri's

> > attempt at a mere literal translation.

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > >

> > > suri

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

---Dear Rob , thank you for this valuable posting .It shows how this Study

Group can ellucidate

the text for all .

 

An additional reason for this verse is that Muruganar prompted Ramana to write

the 30 verses to

say what Lord Shiva would have told the erring Rishis when he appeared to them

as a mendicant in

the Daruka Forest .They were all ritualists on the Mimamsa path so Shiva had

to correct them in

the first instance.

 

Love , In Him , Alan

 

 

 

 

 

 

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