Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ---------- Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta (AT) virgin (DOT) net> Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:08:36 +0000 undisclosed recipients 'A human being is part of the Whole, called the Universe. A part limited in [and by] time and space, he experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires, and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison, by widening our circle of compassion, to embrace all living creatures, and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely [because no 'body' remains to claim the achievement]; but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation, and a foundation for inner security.' (Einstein? anyone know where this comes from?) note: Bracketed comments by MNW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Dear Miles: Google knows everything. "We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. "- Einstein http://www.maximumbliss.com/zen%20quotes.asp Everyone has a Self realized weekend. Love, Unboundaries. - Miles Wright RM List Friday, March 14, 2003 7:18 AM [RamanaMaharshi] FW: ...optical delusion of consciousness. ----------Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta (AT) virgin (DOT) net>Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:08:36 +0000undisclosed recipients'A human being is part of the Whole, called the Universe. A part limited in [and by] time and space, he experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires, and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison, by widening our circle of compassion, to embrace all living creatures, and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely [because no 'body' remains to claim the achievement]; but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation, and a foundation for inner security.' (Einstein? anyone know where this comes from?)note: Bracketed comments by MNW. Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Thanks Alton, Do you know the primary source? Miles Dear Miles: Google knows everything. "We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. " - Einstein http://www.maximumbliss.com/zen%20quotes.asp Everyone has a Self realized weekend. Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 I have to give a lesson now but try google as there are lots of entries. Aloha, Alton om namo bhagavate sri ramanayaThanks Alton,Do you know the primary source? :)Miles Dear Miles:Google knows everything."We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. "- Einstein http://www.maximumbliss.com/zen%20quotes.aspEveryone has a Self realized weekend.Love, Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi List owner: RamanaMaharshi-ownerShortcut URL to this page: http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ---Dear Miles > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya It is worth noting that Albert Einstein knew his Schopenhauer whose Philosophy is highly influenced by the Upanishads [his own admission]and conforms with early Buddhist Philosophy ..Schopenhauer is considered the bridge between Western mainstream Philosophy and India .Bishop Berkely , Kant and Schopenhauer seemed to reach the position 'de novo'that all is Maya {a Representation caused by the organ of cognition [brain and senses]in Consciousness , the Ultimate Subject .A friend said to me that the fact that these great Philosophers reached the same conclusion as the Rishis , independently ,is confirmation of the Upanashadic truth .Regards Alan > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Alan, > A friend said to me that the fact that these great Philosophers reached the > same conclusion as the Rishis , independently ,is confirmation of the > Upanashadic truth . This same conclusion came up in conversation on Wednesday, when discussing Plotinus and Porphyry. Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ---Dear Miles > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > There is a strong suspicion amongst certain scholars that the Neo-platonists , and possibly Socrates as well , knew the Upanishadic insights from the Indian 'Gymnophysicists' (Yogis} who visited Athens {Josephus].In addition Alexander the Great's invasion of India also brought knowledge of Indian Philosophy back to Athens through his Ambassador Megasthines ,who wrote a best selling book on The Indian Religion.Somebody once told me that the Enneads contain quotes that could be from Patanjali but I have not verified this .Regards Alan Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Alan, Indeed. Swami Vivekananda said, 'In Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, and the ....neo-Platonists, we can find traces of Indian thought.' I have no doubt that this is true. But the truth is even simpler than that. The hunt for the Self must always arrive at the same place although there might be different words used to describe the findings. Then the controversies start. Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles --------- > There is a strong suspicion amongst certain scholars that the Neo-platonists > , and possibly > Socrates as well , knew the Upanishadic insights from the Indian > 'Gymnophysicists' (Yogis} who > visited Athens {Josephus].In addition Alexander the Great's invasion of India > also brought > knowledge of Indian Philosophy back to Athens through his Ambassador > Megasthines ,who wrote a > best selling book on The Indian Religion.Somebody once told me that the > Enneads contain quotes > that could be from Patanjali but I have not verified this .Regards Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ---Dear Miles ,we agree , love , in Him , Alan > > Indeed. > Swami Vivekananda said, 'In Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, and the > ...neo-Platonists, we can find traces of Indian thought.' > I have no doubt that this is true. But the truth is even simpler than that. > The hunt for the Self must always arrive at the same place although there > might be different words used to describe the findings. Then the > controversies start. > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles > --------- > > There is a strong suspicion amongst certain scholars that the Neo-platonists > > , and possibly > > Socrates as well , knew the Upanishadic insights from the Indian > > 'Gymnophysicists' (Yogis} who > > visited Athens {Josephus].In addition Alexander the Great's invasion of India > > also brought > > knowledge of Indian Philosophy back to Athens through his Ambassador > > Megasthines ,who wrote a > > best selling book on The Indian Religion.Somebody once told me that the > > Enneads contain quotes > > that could be from Patanjali but I have not verified this .Regards Alan > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Miles, Google turns up two references for this purported quotation. One is, "Quoted in J. Goldstein, The Experience of Insight, Unity Press." This is a book that is currently in print in an edition from Shambhala Publications. The other reference is "N. Y. Times, March 29, 1972." This is curious inasmuch as Einstein died in 1955. Regards, rob - Miles Wright RamanaMaharshi Friday, March 14, 2003 2:01 PM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] FW: ...optical delusion of consciousness. om namo bhagavate sri ramanayaThanks Alton,Do you know the primary source? :)Miles Dear Miles:Google knows everything."We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. "- Einstein http://www.maximumbliss.com/zen%20quotes.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 RamanaMaharshi, " UNBOUND" <unbound@h...> wrote: > Re: [RamanaMaharshi] FW: ...optical delusion of consciousness.I have to give a lesson now but try google as there are lots of entries. > > Aloha, > Alton > > > om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya > > Thanks Alton, > > Do you know the primary source? > > Miles > > > Dear Miles: > Google knows everything. > "We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. " > - Einstein > http://www.maximumbliss.com/zen%20quotes.asp > > Everyone has a Self realized weekend. > > Love, > http://www./community/RamanaMaharshi this 'quote' was a part of his private correspondence; it is longer.. ---Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Miles, I spent an amusing hour trying to track down the purported Einstein quotation on the Web. Hundreds of people have reproduced it on their websites without feeling any need to ask for a reference or give one. The "New York Times" reference shows up on various sites as "New York Tribune" and "New York Post" so my guess is that it's spurious. The following reference appears on a few mathematicians' sites at universities, so perhaps it is the real source: "Quoted in Howard Eves Mathematical Circles Adieu, Boston: Prindle, Weber and Schmidt, 1977." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya Dear Rob, > The following reference appears on a few mathematicians' > sites at universities, so perhaps it is the real source: > > "Quoted in Howard Eves Mathematical Circles Adieu, > Boston: Prindle, Weber and Schmidt, 1977." Thanks. Regards, Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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