Supp. 40 verses, the last one / sandeep

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RamanaMaharshi, "Sandeep" <sandeepc@b...>

wrote:

>

> For the truth is that,....... to affirm that "it was never

created",

> is to posit a position separate from "it",

>

> It's only then that an affirming is possible,...... either for

it's

> existence or for it's non-existence.

>

> Since no such position is possible, or no such position is apart

from

> the illusion, ......is any affirmation or negation,.... anything

more

> than more hoopla?

>

> -----------

 

hi sandeep,

 

nice to see you here too.

 

your statement that "no position is apart from the illusion"

contradicts what the modern advaitins call "consciousness" or what

the ancient hindus referred as the "brahman." as in the story of

the swan, it floats on water and yet its feathers are not wet. the

main stance of advaita is that consciousness, the clear screen, is

not affected by the images of wetness. hence it gives the seeker a

way of partitioning the hard drive and when the egoic windows xp is

crashing, the seeker can learn to switch the identity to the crystal

clear unix screen...er- consciousness.

 

perhaps the gurus invented this model as an act of kindness for the

seekers who are ovelwhelved with the heavy burden of individual

existence of the egoic windows xp which is prone to crashing.

 

having said that...ultimately advaita triumphs because advaita is

the awareness of "your position" that "no separate position is apart

from the illusion" or the "classic advaita position" that

consciousness is untouched by the illusion...and hence advaita is

not about the either model of reality but at best it's a pointer for

the awareness of awareness...the silence of the self so to speak.

 

hur

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Hiya Hur,

 

Aaah, we meet here.

 

I have no particular wish to disturb the focus on Ramana's prattlings, given the

List is about Ramana.

 

Yet...since you raise some interesting nuances..............some two

cents........ (which we have dialogued elsewhere also)

 

 

 

 

- Hur Guler

RamanaMaharshi

Friday, August 15, 2003 10:24 PM

[RamanaMaharshi] Re: Supp. 40 verses, the last one / sandeep

RamanaMaharshi, "Sandeep" <sandeepc@b...> wrote:> > For

the truth is that,....... to affirm that "it was never created", > is to posit

a position separate from "it", > > It's only then that an affirming is

possible,...... either for it's > existence or for it's non-existence.> > Since

no such position is possible, or no such position is apart from > the illusion,

.......is any affirmation or negation,.... anything more > than more hoopla?> >

----------- hi sandeep, nice to see you here too. your statement that "no

position is apart from the illusion" contradicts what the modern advaitins call

"consciousness" or what the ancient hindus referred as the "brahman." as in the

story of the swan, it floats on water and yet its feathers are not wet. the

main stance of advaita is that consciousness, the clear screen, is not affected

by the images of wetness. hence it gives the seeker a way of partitioning the

hard drive and when the egoic windows xp is crashing, the seeker can learn to

switch the identity to the crystal clear unix screen...er- consciousness.

-------

 

For a young tot entering the nursery class, you don't write "Quantum Mechanics"

on the black-board, do you? :-)

 

All negation, needs to posit a stand-point, based on which, the negation is possible.

 

It's the rare, in which that very stand-point, ........explodes.

 

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perhaps the gurus invented this model as an act of kindness for the seekers who

are ovelwhelved with the heavy burden of individual existence of the egoic

windows xp which is prone to crashing.

 

-----

 

Indeed.

 

The highest form of compassion, is that which exists in the mileu of one in

which even "not-two" has been smiled at.

 

The seeker, beseeching in his or her anguish to go back with some certainity,

after all his icons of self-identification has been exposed,...... is given the

concept of Impersonal Consciousness, the Self, Parambrahman.

 

To stop the whining.

 

Anything, said or conveyed by any means, by somebody to anybody, anwhere, at any

time, ever,.........all that has happened is the "birthing" of a concept.

 

Including right now.

 

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having said that...ultimately advaita triumphs because advaita is the awareness

of "your position" that "no separate position is apart from the illusion" or

the "classic advaita position" that consciousness is untouched by the

illusion...and hence advaita is not about the either model of reality but at

best it's a pointer for the awareness of awareness...the silence of the self so

to speak.

 

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Sure.

 

Often Advaita is made into a boat being carried on one's head, after the river

has been crossed.

 

Apperception of Advaita, ...........is the end of the relevance of Advaita.

 

 

Which putting in another way is............

 

...........the absence of the presence of the self AND the absence of the absence

of the presence of self.

 

..........the negation of the negator and thus the negation of the "posit..er"

 

--------Awareness, not aware of itself.