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RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright

<ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote:

 

> Wonderful. Scepticism is a fertile soil for vicara. When ahamkara

arises

> doubts about this or that are never far behind. Hold that

troublemaker, the

> mindstuff will disappear.

 

thanks for the pointer. it's always fresh when received with an open

mind...and i am trying.

 

> If his style does not satisfy...why not take to the other Ramana,

that one

> to whom this Group is dedicated. His Teaching is immediate and

conclusive.

>

 

miles i don't mean to be disrespectul but how do you know that i

don't? someone mentioned the american salesman ramana's name on an

earlier messsage and then you posted an article. remember i was not

the one who brought his name up. i simply made an honest comment on

those messages.

 

 

> When one, 'by chance', falls into His lap there is no longer any

room for

> doubt. When He grabs you, stop struggling, surrender, then you will,

> assuredly, escape. He is certainly not pushy...but His pull is, in

the end,

> irresistible.

 

oh please. stop this dualistic ramana worship nonsense. there is

no "His." ramana would tell his devotees till he was blue in the

face that "you're the self" but as soon as he'd turn around the

seekers would hit the ground worshipping him. i understand it's the

human need to worship but since you seem to understand what vicara

is, why do you still cap his name and talk kindergarden spirituality

stuff like "His lap"? really, what does your vicara say about that?

 

again i don't mean to be disrespectul, since i owe my understanding

to ramana maharshi. till i read him i admit i thought i knew what

the mystics were talking about. so in that sense ramana uncovered

the mystery for me but ramana never emerged as the Guru for me nor

did i see him as a Divine figure. in fact, it was ramana's words

that ended all the imaginary Other divine figures in my mind, where

ramana, god, gurus and all the other divine beings that people cap

their names disappeared.

 

> Indeed. 'I am not enlightened' ... ' 'He is enlightened' ... 'I am

> enlightened'. This is the jiva's conceit. Enlightenment, as the

concern of

> the ego, is probably best left alone. Instead, I would just do

vicara.

>

 

excellent point. as i mentioned in the previous message to sandeep,

i don't usually mention the big e word but i suppose i was indulging.

 

hur

[Guest guest]

Dearest Hur,

Please keep in mind that this is an assembly of Bhagavan Ramana's

devotees. Sri Ramana did not distinguish between devotion and inquiry

and indeed said that these are the two ways to Self-Realization. Either

Self-Inquiry or complete surrender to the Guru that is one's own Heart.

And these are not mutually exclusive. Devotion and Inquiry merge and

are the same.

Ramana Maharshi himself has written some beautiful and moving poems to

Arunachala taking the role of the devotee. Have you read them?

Here is one stanza from memory. Please someone correct if needed.

"I came to feed on thee, but thou has fed on me!

Now I am peaceful O' Arunachala!"

Love to all

Harsha

Hur Guler wrote:

RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright

<ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote:

> Wonderful. Scepticism is a fertile soil for vicara. When ahamkara

arises

> doubts about this or that are never far behind. Hold that

troublemaker, the

> mindstuff will disappear.

thanks for the pointer. it's always fresh when received with an open

mind...and i am trying.

> If his style does not satisfy...why not take to the other Ramana,

that one

> to whom this Group is dedicated. His Teaching is immediate and

conclusive.

>

miles i don't mean to be disrespectul but how do you know that i

don't? someone mentioned the american salesman ramana's name on an

earlier messsage and then you posted an article. remember i was not

the one who brought his name up. i simply made an honest comment on

those messages.

> When one, 'by chance', falls into His lap there is no longer any

room for

> doubt. When He grabs you, stop struggling, surrender, then you

will,

> assuredly, escape. He is certainly not pushy...but His pull is, in

the end,

> irresistible.

oh please. stop this dualistic ramana worship nonsense. there is

no "His." ramana would tell his devotees till he was blue in the

face that "you're the self" but as soon as he'd turn around the

seekers would hit the ground worshipping him. i understand it's the

human need to worship but since you seem to understand what vicara

is, why do you still cap his name and talk kindergarden spirituality

stuff like "His lap"? really, what does your vicara say about that?

again i don't mean to be disrespectul, since i owe my understanding

to ramana maharshi. till i read him i admit i thought i knew what

the mystics were talking about. so in that sense ramana uncovered

the mystery for me but ramana never emerged as the Guru for me nor

did i see him as a Divine figure. in fact, it was ramana's words

that ended all the imaginary Other divine figures in my mind, where

ramana, god, gurus and all the other divine beings that people cap

their names disappeared.

> Indeed. 'I am not enlightened' ... ' 'He is enlightened' ... 'I am

> enlightened'. This is the jiva's conceit. Enlightenment, as the

concern of

> the ego, is probably best left alone. Instead, I would just do

vicara.

>

excellent point. as i mentioned in the previous message to sandeep,

i don't usually mention the big e word but i suppose i was indulging.

hur

[Guest guest]

om namo bhagavate sri ramanaya

 

Dear Hur,

>

> miles i don't mean to be disrespectul but how do you know that i

> don't? someone mentioned the american salesman ramana's name on an

> earlier messsage and then you posted an article. remember i was not

> the one who brought his name up. i simply made an honest comment on

> those messages.

 

To whom is the disrespect? I can see how my general comment to your post to

the group might be taken personally. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

 

> oh please. stop this dualistic ramana worship nonsense. there is

> no "His." ramana would tell his devotees till he was blue in the

> face that "you're the self" but as soon as he'd turn around the

> seekers would hit the ground worshipping him. i understand it's the

> human need to worship but since you seem to understand what vicara

> is, why do you still cap his name and talk kindergarden spirituality

> stuff like "His lap"? really, what does your vicara say about that?

 

Who knows?

All is by His Grace.

 

> again i don't mean to be disrespectul, since i owe my understanding

> to ramana maharshi. till i read him i admit i thought i knew what

> the mystics were talking about. so in that sense ramana uncovered

> the mystery for me but ramana never emerged as the Guru for me nor

> did i see him as a Divine figure. in fact, it was ramana's words

> that ended all the imaginary Other divine figures in my mind, where

> ramana, god, gurus and all the other divine beings that people cap

> their names disappeared.

 

I see. This is a wonderful understanding.

For me, Bhagavan is still not other than the Self. i cannot do other than

respect mySelf. Similarly Arunachala is not other than mySelf so much so

that all hills, being reminders, command the same respect. What can I do? As

an advaita philosopher I would be a failure.

 

Kind Regards,

Miles

[Guest guest]

really, what does your vicara say about that?

 

------

 

I see the term "vicara" is much used in this List and was wondering

what it referred to.

 

And then I realised what is probably meant by that word is enquiry.

 

If that is what is meant, the term should be spelled as "vichara",

with the "ch" pronounced as in "choice".

 

Not that it makes any difference, .......just some two bits.

 

 

 

>

> Who knows?

> All is by His Grace.

 

 

The Grace that flowed THROUGH "an" expression of the same Grace ,..

 

.... the expression being known as Ramana,...

 

....is never a possessed commodity.

 

 

Once again, just some two bits.

[Guest guest]

RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright

<ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote:

 

> For me, Bhagavan is still not other than the Self. i cannot do

other than

> respect mySelf. Similarly Arunachala is not other than mySelf so

much so

> that all hills, being reminders, command the same respect. What can

I do? As

> an advaita philosopher I would be a failure.

>

> Kind Regards,

> Miles

 

well miles, no matter what the advaita philosophers say

about "you"...you are all right in my book.

[Guest guest]

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Hur Guler

RamanaMaharshi

Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:36 AM

[RamanaMaharshi] Re: Message About AHAM's New Web Site! / american ramana / miles

RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote:>

For me, Bhagavan is still not other than the Self. i cannot do other than>

respect mySelf. Similarly Arunachala is not other than mySelf so much so> that

all hills, being reminders, command the same respect. What can I do? As> an

advaita philosopher I would be a failure. > > Kind Regards,> Mileswell

miles, no matter what the advaita philosophers say about "you"...you are all

right in my book.

 

 

All is well says the Friend.

 

Love,

 

Ben.

 

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