(un)enlightenment / sandeep

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RamanaMaharshi, Sandeep Chatterjee

<sandeepc@b...> wrote:

>

> Your comment "but then again i'm about as unenlightened as they

come", is very interesting.

>

> How would you know, Hur?:-)

>

> I mean, what is the yardstick that you would use to come to the

conclusion either way.

>

 

usually i try avoiding discussing the question of (un)enlightenment

but i suppose i am to blame this time by mentioning it. we can go on

endlessly about what enlightenment is or isn't but at the end

enlightenment is in the mind of others. when others find peace and

sit in bliss in your presence, i suppose that does it for them. i

know the mind is a dirty word in these groups but the apperance of an

enlightened master in your world is a state of your mind. hence

there's no universal meter to measure it since one man's enlightened

master is another man's controlling psychopath. so in that

statistical long line of spiritual seekers, at one extreme end are

the enlightened beings and at the other end are the psyhopaths...i

suppose it's safe to say that most of us are in the middle somewhere.

 

hur

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RamanaMaharshi, "Hur Guler" <hurg> wrote:

> RamanaMaharshi, Sandeep Chatterjee

> <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> >

> > Your comment "but then again i'm about as unenlightened as they

> come", is very interesting.

> >

> > How would you know, Hur?:-)

> >

> > I mean, what is the yardstick that you would use to come to the

> conclusion either way.

> >

>

> usually i try avoiding discussing the question of (un)enlightenment

> but i suppose i am to blame this time by mentioning it. we can go

on

> endlessly about what enlightenment is or isn't but at the end

> enlightenment is in the mind of others.

 

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Yes.

However conceived, it would be "a" conceptualization, which would

need "a" mind,in which to occur.

 

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> when others find peace and

> sit in bliss in your presence, i suppose that does it for them. i

> know the mind is a dirty word in these groups but the apperance of

>an enlightened master in your world is a state of your mind.

 

 

The appearance of an other, is indeed perfumed with adjective

of "Enlightened Master", by the mind, against some parroted standard.

 

Which is amusing, since the mind has no clue what the so

called "enlightened state" is about.

 

For the object, labelled thus by the audience, there is neither the

Guru, nor the seeker.

 

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hence

> there's no universal meter to measure it since one man's

enlightened

> master is another man's controlling psychopath. so in that

> statistical long line of spiritual seekers, at one extreme end are

> the enlightened beings and at the other end are the psyhopaths...i

> suppose it's safe to say that most of us are in the middle

somewhere.

 

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:-)

 

I know where you are coming from Hur.

Just was using that interesting remark of your's, ...to prattle a bit.

 

So you are from Turkey?Currently you are located out there?