Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 > Dear Ashish ,just a few comments on your letter to Gabriele . You wrote > > > My background is in bhakti, in devotion, and silence also is deeply part > > of my devotion. To a bhakta, a devotee, the Master is not the same as > > one's self. The Master is beyond one's self, and eventually when one is > > fully mastered, then the Master and Devotee are one. Until that time, > > this distinction cannot be forgotten. While I know intellectually that > > I am My Father are One, I do not know that experientially, nor am I > > living that each moment of my Life. Therefore, until such time that I > > am completely submerged in Divine Consciousness, I will always appeal to > > the Father and ask for his blessing and guidance, as if he is apart from > > me. Therefore, I cannot apply non-duality to my Father, My Master. In Ramana Maharshi's Maha Yoga -all the Margas , Bhakti ,Karma,Jnana , are used ..Depending on the mode of the self can one feel devotional out of gratitude to God-Guru-Self ,in duality and practice self-surrender. Then one can act one's part on the stage of life appropriately not as an Advaitin but without mind-body identification ,as a Karma Yogi ,and one can study the teachings of Non-Duality or practice Atma Vichara as Jnana .Eventually they all merge ,into the oneness of Self-Awareness .When the source of the ego is found,or one has totally surrendered to God,there is no one left to make considerations about paths , like an ajnani .Ramana and Ramakrishna were both Great Advaitins and Great Bhaktas , so was Swami Ramdass etc.etc, > > > > Additionally, in the field of action we cannot apply non-duality, > > because it would cause us to not act. If someone is hungry, we should > > try to feed them if we can. If someone is asking for my help in some > > way, and I can provide that help with no problem, then I should act > > quickly to help that person. To turn away a hungry person or to ignore > > them by thinking that all is one, and that their hunger will be > > automatically taken care of, is to be living in some fool's paradise. I > > can say "All is One, and my bills will get paid automatically" but I > > know in fact the electricity utility company will cut my electricity > > connection if they don't get paid. Similarly one of Ramana's disciples, > > Poonjaji, also called Papaji, said something to effect of "there are no > > teachers, no teachings and no students". My retort was if the > > university professor said that, he would quickly be out of a job. > > Therefore, non-duality may not be applied to the field of action. > > > > I can also say that at times I thought that I acted in my life from a > > place of non-duality, but in fact people got hurt through my words or > > actions. It is very interesting that this verse speaks to this. I am > > curious to see what you or others have to say. Yes you are quite right - this is what verse 39 of the supplement is all about ..Live with Advaita as the background-understanding of your life but do not try to demonstrate it in action .It often causes grave misunderstandings in relationships.Metaphysical Truths appear inappropriate if stated on the empiric plane -unless of course in Satsang or amongst Devotees.So live like a good Karma yogi and don't worry -cast your burdens on the Lord{Bhakti]and Self Enquire {Jnana]. > > > > > > > With best wishes,in HIs Grace , Alan , > > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:11:29 +0200 > > "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert > > Supp. 40 verses, V. 38 & 39 and a question > > > > Who is there apart from the Self, if one only abides ever > > as the Self, without swerving from that primal State and > > never differentiating oneself from others? What does it > > matter if others say anything about oneself? What indeed > > does it matter if it is oneself alone that one praises or > > abuses? > > > > Retain at heart the sense of non-duality, but never express > > it in action. O my son, the sense of non-duality may apply > > to the three worlds, but know that in relation to the Master > > it will never do. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > by Osborne > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Without thinking of oneself as apart from others, without > > swerving from one's true state, if one abides always in > > one's Self, who is there alien to one? What matters it > > what people say of one? What matters it if one praises > > or blames oneself? > > > > Keep advaita within the heart. Do not ever carry it into > > action. Even if you apply it to all the three worlds, O > > Son, it is not to be applied to the Guru. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > by Swaminathan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Members, > > > > please can anyone comment on Verse 39: Do not carry advaita into > > action and that it is not meant to be applied to the Guru. > > What does it mean? > > I don't understand this verse. > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > > ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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