Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 How can the mind which has itself created the world accept it as unreal?That is the significance of the comparison made between the world of the waking state and the dream world. Both are creations of the mind and, so long as the mind is engrossed in either, it finds itself unable to deny their reality. It cannot deny the reality of the dream world while it is dreaming and it cannot deny the reality of the waking world while it is awake. If, on the contrary, the mind is seen for what it is, a notion, inferred by the memory of experiences, (an apperception obvioulsy not possible by the mind) and there is an abidance there, ..........the apperception that the world of which you are now aware is just as unreal as the world in which you lived your dream. As Fred Allen Wolf states in, Parallel Universes,........ Mind, I believe, exists as fleeting energy in parallel universes. The universe we perceive consists of the overlap of these fleeting flashes of energy. The patterns create mind as surely as they create matter. Both the existence of matter and the perception of it are the same thing. As Humberto Maturana prattles in , The Tree of Knowledge ........ "For the operation of the nervous system, there is no inside or outside, but only maintenance of correlations that continuously change (like the indicator instruments in a submarine).Self-consciousness, awareness, mind - these are phenomena that take place in language..'Mind' is not an entity but can be ascribed to a system exhibiting regular behavior." As Vasco Ronchi affirms in , Optics, The Science of Vision The apparent world, the one which is perceived, with its figures, its brightness, its colors, is a psychical product, a creation of the observer. The figures seen on the vault of heaven are neither the celestial bodies, nor the true clouds or the falling stars, but are only effigies which the observer's psyche has created and localized how and where it can." ------ The greatest saint, even if he has sacrificed a thousand times all that he held most dear, even his life itself, for love of others, for that of a God or for a noble ideal, remains a prisoner of samsara if he has not understood that all that is a childish game, empty of reality, a useless phantasmagoria of shadows which his own mind projects on the infinite screen of the Void" - The Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 ---Dear Sandeep ,first of all thank you for another set of Poems which 'speak for themselves'.Theey seemed to me to be an interesting progression of the Ashtavakra Gita . > > How can the mind which has itself created the world accept it as unreal? Once it is pointed out to the intellect that the world is an illusion created by time,space and causality being set up 'a priori'in the brain ,and the sensorial apparatus creating its own limited interpretaion of form,colour, touch,smell , etc.like any animal species ,then the intellect sees through the world as being merely a mental representation .Once this is realized it weakens identification with a world which the unfortunate subject thinks is real and suffers anxiety etc. in the conventional sense .The Sage sees this weakening as an important first step in the spiritual understanding of the Sadhak and therefore it is consistently taught .The snake is no longer a snake to be feared but a rope .etc. Your quotations seem to confirm this view -particularly the final one .Best wishes , in His Grace,Alan > > That is the significance of the comparison made between the world of the waking state and the > dream world. > > Both are creations of the mind and, so long as the mind is engrossed in either, it finds itself > unable to deny their reality. > > It cannot deny the reality of the dream world while it is dreaming and it cannot deny the > reality of the waking world while it is awake. > > If, on the contrary, the mind is seen for what it is, a notion, inferred by the memory of > experiences, (an apperception obvioulsy not possible by the mind) and there is an abidance > there, ..........the apperception that the world of which you are now aware is just as unreal as > the world in which you lived your dream. > > > As Fred Allen Wolf states in, Parallel Universes,........ > > Mind, I believe, exists as fleeting energy in parallel universes. The universe we perceive > consists of the overlap of these fleeting flashes of energy. The patterns create mind as surely > as they create matter. Both the existence of matter and the perception of it are the same thing. > > As Humberto Maturana prattles in , The Tree of Knowledge ........ > > > "For the operation of the nervous system, there is no inside or outside, but only > maintenance of correlations that continuously change (like the indicator instruments in a > submarine)." > "Self-consciousness, awareness, mind - these are phenomena that take place in language.." > "'Mind' is not an entity but can be ascribed to a system exhibiting regular behavior." > > > As Vasco Ronchi affirms in , Optics, The Science of Vision > > The apparent world, the one which is perceived, with its figures, its brightness, its colors, is > a psychical product, a creation of the observer. The figures seen on the vault of heaven are > neither the celestial bodies, nor the true clouds or the falling stars, but are only effigies > which the observer's psyche has created and localized how and where it can." > > ------ > > > The greatest saint, even if he has sacrificed a thousand times all that he held most dear, even > his life itself, for love of others, for that of a God or for a noble ideal, remains a prisoner > of samsara if he has not understood that all that is a childish game, empty of reality, a > useless phantasmagoria of shadows which his own mind projects on the infinite screen of the > Void" > > > - The Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhism > > ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 RamanaMaharshi, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs> wrote: <SNIP> >The snake is > no longer a snake to be feared but a rope .etc. The snake "in" the rope is the secondary delusion. <SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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