Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Dear Bhagavathas, Our Pranams to you all. We dont crave for any recognition of The Vedas from any one. But if someone honours The Vedas it is of course welcome. Lord does not want us to praise Him, as He is beyond any praise from any one.But when we do Praise Him with sincerity,He very much relishes it and listens to our prattlings with pleasure. We are happy more and more people are brought into The Fold of the Greatness of Our Bedas. Dasan Kombur Vankipuram Madhavan.narsimhan csl wrote: Dear Krishna Prasadji,Very true. One cannot try to give light to the Sun. It is always the Sun that gives the light. It is always the Lord who protects the vedas from times of yore. UNESCO could be one of his means, I view it that way.Otherwise, why some one completely unconnected with Vedas has to proclaimed this.Lakshmi Narasimha dasanKrishna Prasad wrote: Hari OM! Narayana SmrithisBlessed Ones,Why do we need heat to the SUN??? Since the source of heat is HIM alone. We never need any recognition from any of the organisation because Vedas are Anaadi. It is still surprising that, the UNESCO or somebody by name Robert, Harry et al... have to recognize our VEDAS!!!!Be proud of our own culture &; Heritage, like an ocean, if any one needs anytime it is available. We do not need any recognition or praising from any quarters. because Vedas are "Swayam Prakashitam" and complete always. Only thing we need to practice and learn it properly, We should not try to give light to the SUN!!!With Love &; OM!Krishnanarsimhan csl wrote: I think sri Shashi has a point. But for now, I will consider this useful assuming that we can use the resources derived out of such a proclamation for benefit of improving vedic chanting. Although, it may not be the intention of the proclamation, but I would like to see this in isolation as a means to protect our vedic traditions. In that respect I am fully convinced by Sri Sudarshan swamy for we have probably a reason to think in the direction of rejoicing. Sajjana Padapadma parama renuhuLakshmi Narasimha dasanshashi wrote: i don't know how much happy i should be, when i read the original UNESCOwebsite posting. this recognition to vedic chanting is no isolated matter,it is part of a 28 item list, among which are:The masterpieces proclaimed are: Azerbaijani Mugham (Azerbaijan), TheCarnival of Binche (Belgium), The Andean Cosmovision of the Kallawaya(Bolivia), The Oral and Graphic Expressions of the Wajapi (Brazil), TheOral traditions of the Aka Pygmies of Central Africa (Central AfricanRepublic), The Royal Ballet of Cambodia (Cambodia), The Art of Guqin Music(China), The Carnival of Barranquilla (Colombia), La Tumba Francesa, Musicof the Oriente Brotherhood (Cuba), The Al-Sirah al-Hilaliyya Epic (Egypt),The Kihnu Cultural Space (Estonia), The Tradition of Vedic Chanting(India), Wayang Puppet Theatre (Indonesia), The Maroon Heritage of MooreTown (Jamaica), Ningyo Johruri Bunraku Puppet Theatre (Japan), The Art ofAkyns, Kyrgyz Epic Tellers (Kyrgyzstan), Woodcrafting Knowledge of theZafimaniry (Madagascar), The Indigenous Festivity dedicated to the Dead(Mexico), The Traditional Music of Morin Khuur (Mongolia), The PansoriEpic Chant (Republic of Korea), Lakalaka, Dances and Sung Speeches ofTonga (Tonga), The Arts of the Meddah, Public Storytellers (Turkey),Vanuatu Sand Drawings (Vanuatu), Nha Nhac, Vietnamese Court Music (VietNam), Arab States: Iraqi Maqam (Iraq), Songs of Sanaa (Yemen).for those interested, the URL ishttp://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php@URL_ID=17120&URL;_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL;_SECTION=201.htmlor simply go to www.unesco.org and then follow the "intangible heritage" linkvedic chanting is at par with Music of the Oriente Brotherhood of Cuba!vedic traditions are among the oldest surviving sophisticated, highlydeveloped traditions, that has music, linguistics, maths, wisdom,spirituality all combined intricately!:-(sudarshan madabushi worked magic with the keyboard on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:13:28AM +0000:> > Dear friends and fellow-"vedadhyAyin-s" of Kuwait,> > Below is a post that appeared in> Srirangasri yesterday. Reading it will> make us all really proud! The UNESCO has declared the> Chanting of Vedas to be a priceless "intangible> heritage" of the world! > > We as Vedic students, living and working here in a> land outside India, are trying in our own humble way> to learn Vedic chanting. We are indeed blessed! All> the time and effort that we as a group have spent> these past 2/3 years surely have been worthwhile! When> we started, all of us indeed resolved rightly! We must> understand that we have truly gained an "intangible"> wealth of inestimable value... "veda-dhanam"! ... as> even the UNESCO now seems to have recognized and> attests! > > Let us all celebrate! We have every reason to!> > Regards,> dAsan,> Sudarshan> > > > > > Message: 3> > Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:09:48 -0500 (EST)> > "Shaasa A. Ruzicka"> > > > UNESCO Declares Vedic Chanting an> > “Intangible Heritage of Humanity"> > > > > > UNESCO Declares Vedic Chanting an “Intangible> > Heritage of Humanity"> > *********************************************> >> http://pib.nic.in/archieve/lreleng/lyr2003/rnov2003/11112003/r1111200311.html> > > > PARIS, FRANCE, November 12, 2003: The oral tradition> > of Vedic chanting has been declared an intangible> > heritage of humanity by UNESCO. In a meeting of jury> > members on November 7, 2003, at Paris, Mr. Koichiro> > Matsuura, Director-General of UNESCO, declared the> > chanting of Vedas in India an outstanding example of> > heritage and form of cultural expressions. The> > proclamation says that in the age of globalization> > and modernization when cultural diversity is under> > pressure, the preservation of oral tradition of> > Vedic chanting, a unique cultural heritage, has> > great significance. > > The jury members included Dr. Richard Kurin,> > Director of the Center for Folklore and Cultural> > Heritage of the Smithsonian Institution (United> > Nations), Mr. Juan Goytisolo, Writer (Spain), Mr.> > Yoshikazu Hasegawa (Japan), Ms. Olive W.M. Lewin.> > Pianist, ethnomusicologist, Director of the Jamaica> > Orchestra for Youth (Jamaica). > > The UNESCO declaration will bring international> > recognition to the excellence of the Vedic chanting> > tradition of India, which has survived for centuries> > encoding the wisdom contained in the Vedas through> > an extraordinary effort of memorization and through> > elaborately worked out mnemonic methods. 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Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 SrI: NamO veda PurushAya ! Dear VedAbhimAnis: The recent UNESCO declaration is a continuation of their efforts earlier in this area. UNESCO is notorious for its politics as other International agencies .Inspite of it , allocation of funds to protect and preserve the fast disappearing SakhAs of VedAs is to be welocmed. Some thirty years ago, UNESCO recorded some rare renditions with the help of Vedic Scholars from VaraNAsi and elsewhere . It was a long playing record .I converted it in to an audio tape. There is some thing , which gives us a peek in to the world of these rescensions and how they sound. If anyone wants to lobby UNESCO and ask them to pay attention to this area , it will be wise investment for posterity . There will be a budget and the whole effort should be to help them spend it wisely for the recording of Veda SaakhAs from different parts of India . One of the devotees that I know lives in France and speaks fluent French.He can look in to it , if he wishes. V.Sadagopan V.Sadagopan Dear friends, The reason for my happiness at UNESCO's declaration stems from precisely the reasons mentioned in Sri csl narsimhan's kind message below. Nobody in India, no Indian certainly, needs a UN mandate for the Vedas. The Vedas pre-exist the UNESCO and the Vedas shall undoubtedly survive it too. Even without a UN declaration surely Indians all over the world know in their hearts that the Veda is an "intangible heritage of humanity". What however makes the subject UNESCO declaration special (to me at least) is that for the first time (to the best of my knowledge) a world premier body like the UN (that too a secular organization) has recognized and affirmed the timeless religious & spiritual legacy of India to all humanity. Is this not a matter of pride for the land of India and its peoples? After all, we see reason to take pride when someone tells us that that much of the good work done at NASA or Microsoft is done by Indian scientific minds! Why shouldn't we similarly take pride when a world-body such as the UN formally acknowledges the Vedas of India to be a world heritage? I also do not understand why we should be disappointed that the UNESCO while hailing the Vedas has similarly conferred honours on "28 other heritages of the world". God's great world is garden of many treasures and wonders... There are perhaps other treasures in His world too besides the Vedas. Why should we doubt it or be aggrieved? Let us rejoice in our part of the Lord's garden, the Vedas. In any case, the UN as a world-body must exhibit a global perspective and hence perhaps has chosen 28 other items of "humanity heritages". No one can also reasonably believe that because of the UNESCO declaration, the United Nations will now begin to fund and support all our Vedic pundits and "pUrOhits" back in India! The task of protecting and promoting the Vedas is primarily the responsibility and duty of Indians (most notably of the Brahmin families). The World Wildlife Fund some years ago declared the Indian tiger to be an "endangered species" and resolved to help save the species. But that did not absolve native Indian conservationists and communities from their duties to save the tiger... they alone in fact could accomplish the task. Similarly, no matter how gratifying it is to know about the UNESCO declaration on the Vedas, we must realize that the primary responsibility to preserve and propogate the Vedas lies in our hands alone and none else! In a limited sense, we may take the subject UNESCO declaration to be a warning that the priceless heritage of the Vedas too is today "endangered" and humanity better take note and begin acting for its conservation. To that end, I think the UNESCO declaration definitely needs to be appreciated and rejoiced about. Trust this explains my earlier mail on the subject. Regards, dAsan, Sudarshan --- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote: > > > I think sri Shashi has a point. But for now, I will > consider this useful assuming that we can use the > resources derived out of such a proclamation for > benefit of improving vedic chanting. Although, it > may not be the intention of the proclamation, but I > would like to see this in isolation as a means to > protect our vedic traditions. In that respect I am > fully convinced by Sri Sudarshan swamy for we have > probably a reason to think in the direction of > rejoicing. > > Sajjana Padapadma parama renuhu > > Lakshmi Narasimha dasan shashi <shashi wrote: > i don't know how much happy i should be, when i read > the original UNESCO > website posting. this recognition to vedic chanting > is no isolated matter, > it is part of a 28 item list, among which are: > > The masterpieces proclaimed are: Azerbaijani Mugham > (Azerbaijan), The > Carnival of Binche (Belgium), The Andean Cosmovision > of the Kallawaya > (Bolivia), The Oral and Graphic Expressions of the > Wajapi (Brazil), The > Oral traditions of the Aka Pygmies of Central Africa > (Central African > Republic), The Royal Ballet of Cambodia (Cambodia), > The Art of Guqin Music > (China), The Carnival of Barranquilla (Colombia), La > Tumba Francesa, Music > of the Oriente Brotherhood (Cuba), The Al-Sirah > al-Hilaliyya Epic (Egypt), > The Kihnu Cultural Space (Estonia), The Tradition of > Vedic Chanting > (India), Wayang Puppet Theatre (Indonesia), The > Maroon Heritage of Moore > Town (Jamaica), Ningyo Johruri Bunraku Puppet > Theatre (Japan), The Art of > Akyns, Kyrgyz Epic Tellers (Kyrgyzstan), > Woodcrafting Knowledge of the > Zafimaniry (Madagascar), The Indigenous Festivity > dedicated to the Dead > (Mexico), The Traditional Music of Morin Khuur > (Mongolia), The Pansori > Epic Chant (Republic of Korea), Lakalaka, Dances and > Sung Speeches of > Tonga (Tonga), The Arts of the Meddah, Public > Storytellers (Turkey), > Vanuatu Sand Drawings (Vanuatu), Nha Nhac, > Vietnamese Court Music (Viet > Nam), Arab States: Iraqi Maqam (Iraq), Songs of > Sanaa (Yemen). > > > for those interested, the URL is > http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php@URL_ID=17120&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.\ html > or simply go to www.unesco.org and then follow the > "intangible heritage" link > > vedic chanting is at par with Music of the Oriente > Brotherhood of Cuba! > > vedic traditions are among the oldest surviving > sophisticated, highly > developed traditions, that has music, linguistics, > maths, wisdom, > spirituality all combined intricately! > > :-( > > sudarshan madabushi worked magic with the keyboard > on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:13:28AM +0000: > > > > Dear friends and fellow-"vedadhyAyin-s" of Kuwait, > > > > Below is a post that appeared in > > Srirangasri yesterday. Reading it > will > > make us all really proud! The UNESCO has declared > the > > Chanting of Vedas to be a priceless "intangible > > heritage" of the world! > > > > We as Vedic students, living and working here in a > > land outside India, are trying in our own humble > way > > to learn Vedic chanting. We are indeed blessed! > All > > the time and effort that we as a group have spent > > these past 2/3 years surely have been worthwhile! > When > > we started, all of us indeed resolved rightly! We > must > > understand that we have truly gained an > "intangible" > > wealth of inestimable value... "veda-dhanam"! ... > as > > even the UNESCO now seems to have recognized and > > attests! > > > > Let us all celebrate! We have every reason to! > > > > Regards, > > dAsan, > > Sudarshan > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) > > > "Shaasa A. Ruzicka" > > > <amritasyaputra > > > UNESCO Declares Vedic Chanting an > > > “Intangible Heritage of Humanity" > > > > > > > > > UNESCO Declares Vedic Chanting an “Intangible > > > Heritage of Humanity" > > > ********************************************* > > > > > > http://pib.nic.in/archieve/lreleng/lyr2003/rnov2003/11112003/r1111200311.html > > > > > > PARIS, FRANCE, November 12, 2003: The oral > tradition > > > of Vedic chanting has been declared an > intangible > > > heritage of humanity by UNESCO. In a meeting of > jury > > > members on November 7, 2003, at Paris, Mr. > Koichiro > > > Matsuura, Director-General of UNESCO, declared > the > > > chanting of Vedas in India an outstanding > example of > > > heritage and form of cultural expressions. The > > > proclamation says that in the age of > globalization > > > and modernization when cultural diversity is > under > > > pressure, the preservation of oral tradition of > > > Vedic chanting, a unique cultural heritage, has > > > great significance. > > > The jury members included Dr. Richard Kurin, > > > Director of the Center for Folklore and Cultural > > > Heritage of the Smithsonian Institution (United > > > Nations), Mr. Juan Goytisolo, Writer (Spain), > Mr. > > > Yoshikazu Hasegawa (Japan), Ms. Olive W.M. > Lewin. > > > Pianist, ethnomusicologist, Director of the > Jamaica > > > Orchestra for Youth (Jamaica). > > > The UNESCO declaration will bring international > > > recognition to the excellence of the Vedic > chanting > > > tradition of India, which has survived for > centuries > > > encoding the wisdom contained in the Vedas > through > > > an extraordinary effort of memorization and > through > > > elaborately worked out mnemonic methods. The > purity > > > and fail-safe technique devised for Vedic > chanting > > > in the olden days led to access to one of the > > > ancient literatures of humanity in its entirety > > > today. > > > The Department of Culture, Ministry of Tourism > and > > > Culture, took the initiative to put up the > > > candidature of the Vedic chanting to UNESCO. A > > > presentation was prepared by Indira Gandhi > National > > > Centre for Arts. The Department has also > prepared a > > > five-year action plan to safeguard, protect, > promote > > > and disseminate the oral tradition of Vedas in > terms > > > of their uniqueness and distinctiveness, > encourage > > > scholars and practitioners to preserve, > revitalize > > > and promote their own branch of Vedic recitation > as > > > the custodians of their own traditions and > direct > === message truncated === ______________________ India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile. 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Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Dear friends, The reason for my happiness at UNESCO's declaration stems from precisely the reasons mentioned below in Sri csl narsimhan's kind message below. Nobody in India, no Indian certainly, needs a UN mandate for the Vedas. The Vedas pre-exist the UNESCO and the Vedas shall undoubtedly survive it too. Even without a UN declaration Indians all over the world know in their hearts that the Veda is an "intangible heritage of humanity". What however makes the subject UNESCO declaration special (to me at least) is that for the first time (to the best of my knowledge) a world premier body like the UN (that too a secular organization) has recognized and affirmed the timeless religious & spiritual legacy of India to all humanity. Is this not a matter of pride for the land of India and its ethos? After all, we see reason to take pride when someone tells us that that much of the good work done at NASA is done by Indian scientific minds! Why shouldn't we similarly take pride when a world body such as the UN formally acknowledges the Vedas of India to be a world treasure? I also do not understand why we should be disappointed that the UNESCO while hailing the Vedas has similarly conferred honours on "28 other heritages of the world". This large world is God's great garden of treasures... There are perhaps other treasures in His world too besides the Vedas. Why should we be aggrieved? In any case, the UN as a world-body must exhibit a global perspective. --- narsimhan csl <cslnarsimhan wrote: > > > I think sri Shashi has a point. But for now, I will > consider this useful assuming that we can use the > resources derived out of such a proclamation for > benefit of improving vedic chanting. Although, it > may not be the intention of the proclamation, but I > would like to see this in isolation as a means to > protect our vedic traditions. In that respect I am > fully convinced by Sri Sudarshan swamy for we have > probably a reason to think in the direction of > rejoicing. > > Sajjana Padapadma parama renuhu > > Lakshmi Narasimha dasan shashi <shashi wrote: > i don't know how much happy i should be, when i read > the original UNESCO > website posting. this recognition to vedic chanting > is no isolated matter, > it is part of a 28 item list, among which are: > > The masterpieces proclaimed are: Azerbaijani Mugham > (Azerbaijan), The > Carnival of Binche (Belgium), The Andean Cosmovision > of the Kallawaya > (Bolivia), The Oral and Graphic Expressions of the > Wajapi (Brazil), The > Oral traditions of the Aka Pygmies of Central Africa > (Central African > Republic), The Royal Ballet of Cambodia (Cambodia), > The Art of Guqin Music > (China), The Carnival of Barranquilla (Colombia), La > Tumba Francesa, Music > of the Oriente Brotherhood (Cuba), The Al-Sirah > al-Hilaliyya Epic (Egypt), > The Kihnu Cultural Space (Estonia), The Tradition of > Vedic Chanting > (India), Wayang Puppet Theatre (Indonesia), The > Maroon Heritage of Moore > Town (Jamaica), Ningyo Johruri Bunraku Puppet > Theatre (Japan), The Art of > Akyns, Kyrgyz Epic Tellers (Kyrgyzstan), > Woodcrafting Knowledge of the > Zafimaniry (Madagascar), The Indigenous Festivity > dedicated to the Dead > (Mexico), The Traditional Music of Morin Khuur > (Mongolia), The Pansori > Epic Chant (Republic of Korea), Lakalaka, Dances and > Sung Speeches of > Tonga (Tonga), The Arts of the Meddah, Public > Storytellers (Turkey), > Vanuatu Sand Drawings (Vanuatu), Nha Nhac, > Vietnamese Court Music (Viet > Nam), Arab States: Iraqi Maqam (Iraq), Songs of > Sanaa (Yemen). > > > for those interested, the URL is > http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php@URL_ID=17120&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.\ html > or simply go to www.unesco.org and then follow the > "intangible heritage" link > > vedic chanting is at par with Music of the Oriente > Brotherhood of Cuba! > > vedic traditions are among the oldest surviving > sophisticated, highly > developed traditions, that has music, linguistics, > maths, wisdom, > spirituality all combined intricately! > > :-( > > sudarshan madabushi worked magic with the keyboard > on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:13:28AM +0000: > > > > Dear friends and fellow-"vedadhyAyin-s" of Kuwait, > > > > Below is a post that appeared in > > Srirangasri yesterday. Reading it > will > > make us all really proud! The UNESCO has declared > the > > Chanting of Vedas to be a priceless "intangible > > heritage" of the world! > > > > We as Vedic students, living and working here in a > > land outside India, are trying in our own humble > way > > to learn Vedic chanting. We are indeed blessed! > All > > the time and effort that we as a group have spent > > these past 2/3 years surely have been worthwhile! > When > > we started, all of us indeed resolved rightly! We > must > > understand that we have truly gained an > "intangible" > > wealth of inestimable value... "veda-dhanam"! ... > as > > even the UNESCO now seems to have recognized and > > attests! > > > > Let us all celebrate! We have every reason to! > > > > Regards, > > dAsan, > > Sudarshan > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) > > > "Shaasa A. Ruzicka" > > > <amritasyaputra > > > UNESCO Declares Vedic Chanting an > > > “Intangible Heritage of Humanity" > > > > > > > > > UNESCO Declares Vedic Chanting an “Intangible > > > Heritage of Humanity" > > > ********************************************* > > > > > > http://pib.nic.in/archieve/lreleng/lyr2003/rnov2003/11112003/r1111200311.html > > > > > > PARIS, FRANCE, November 12, 2003: The oral > tradition > > > of Vedic chanting has been declared an > intangible > > > heritage of humanity by UNESCO. In a meeting of > jury > > > members on November 7, 2003, at Paris, Mr. > Koichiro > > > Matsuura, Director-General of UNESCO, declared > the > > > chanting of Vedas in India an outstanding > example of > > > heritage and form of cultural expressions. The > > > proclamation says that in the age of > globalization > > > and modernization when cultural diversity is > under > > > pressure, the preservation of oral tradition of > > > Vedic chanting, a unique cultural heritage, has > > > great significance. > > > The jury members included Dr. Richard Kurin, > > > Director of the Center for Folklore and Cultural > > > Heritage of the Smithsonian Institution (United > > > Nations), Mr. Juan Goytisolo, Writer (Spain), > Mr. > > > Yoshikazu Hasegawa (Japan), Ms. Olive W.M. > Lewin. > > > Pianist, ethnomusicologist, Director of the > Jamaica > > > Orchestra for Youth (Jamaica). > > > The UNESCO declaration will bring international > > > recognition to the excellence of the Vedic > chanting > > > tradition of India, which has survived for > centuries > > > encoding the wisdom contained in the Vedas > through > > > an extraordinary effort of memorization and > through > > > elaborately worked out mnemonic methods. The > purity > > > and fail-safe technique devised for Vedic > chanting > > > in the olden days led to access to one of the > > > ancient literatures of humanity in its entirety > > > today. > > > The Department of Culture, Ministry of Tourism > and > > > Culture, took the initiative to put up the > > > candidature of the Vedic chanting to UNESCO. A > > > presentation was prepared by Indira Gandhi > National > > > Centre for Arts. The Department has also > prepared a > > > five-year action plan to safeguard, protect, > promote > > > and disseminate the oral tradition of Vedas in > terms > > > of their uniqueness and distinctiveness, > encourage > > > scholars and practitioners to preserve, > revitalize > > > and promote their own branch of Vedic recitation > as > > > the custodians of their own traditions and > direct > === message truncated === ______________________ India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile. 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